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<blockquote data-quote="CapnZapp" data-source="post: 7633686" data-attributes="member: 12731"><p>Now you're getting dangerously close to actively seeking out an argument with me. I've repeatedly said that while I might have preferences (much like everyone else) I have no real stake in what MMearls chooses to focus the class on. Just that whatever that focus is is a real improvement, so that the Ranger becomes actually best at *something*. Except that that something mustn't be "best at sucking all the fun out of woodland challenges". Which means that never getting lost or having an always-on fool-proof radar is not only not a power ability (it's a ribbon) but an incredibly uncool and unfun one at that.</p><p></p><p>Other than that I don't care to feed the parts of your post that comes across as trolling - your wilful ignorance of the abyssal suckyness of the Beastmaster, and your complacency in how much better the Paladin's abilities interact and augment each other. As the game's two main half casters, I see absolutely zero reason to let WotC get away with the Ranger being incredibly milquetoast compared to its "sibling".</p><p></p><p>So again, just faffing about, like every MMearls Ranger effort so far isn't gonna give us a Ranger that can compete with the other classes. That is why I feel it is time to actually cut away some features, to make MMearls feel better about actually improving the rest to a level where the Ranger gets a couple of niches it is actually best at. Better than any other class.</p><p></p><p>While the thread sure can't agree which ability is the most quintessential rangery one, you're the only one arguing the Ranger's main ability should be "Jack of all trades, master of none". Which I find quite absurd. Nothing suggests we should be content with the Ranger cemented as this edition's d20 Bard. </p><p></p><p>If Larian can pressure MMearls into admitting the Ranger is in need of an upgrade, we should obviously push for real improvement, and not play along with his little mind games, where he's basically talking himself into believing nothing drastic needs to be done.</p><p></p><p>If a change really IS coming (despite WotC shutting down the UA Ranger) join me in hoping for a *real* change!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="CapnZapp, post: 7633686, member: 12731"] Now you're getting dangerously close to actively seeking out an argument with me. I've repeatedly said that while I might have preferences (much like everyone else) I have no real stake in what MMearls chooses to focus the class on. Just that whatever that focus is is a real improvement, so that the Ranger becomes actually best at *something*. Except that that something mustn't be "best at sucking all the fun out of woodland challenges". Which means that never getting lost or having an always-on fool-proof radar is not only not a power ability (it's a ribbon) but an incredibly uncool and unfun one at that. Other than that I don't care to feed the parts of your post that comes across as trolling - your wilful ignorance of the abyssal suckyness of the Beastmaster, and your complacency in how much better the Paladin's abilities interact and augment each other. As the game's two main half casters, I see absolutely zero reason to let WotC get away with the Ranger being incredibly milquetoast compared to its "sibling". So again, just faffing about, like every MMearls Ranger effort so far isn't gonna give us a Ranger that can compete with the other classes. That is why I feel it is time to actually cut away some features, to make MMearls feel better about actually improving the rest to a level where the Ranger gets a couple of niches it is actually best at. Better than any other class. While the thread sure can't agree which ability is the most quintessential rangery one, you're the only one arguing the Ranger's main ability should be "Jack of all trades, master of none". Which I find quite absurd. Nothing suggests we should be content with the Ranger cemented as this edition's d20 Bard. If Larian can pressure MMearls into admitting the Ranger is in need of an upgrade, we should obviously push for real improvement, and not play along with his little mind games, where he's basically talking himself into believing nothing drastic needs to be done. If a change really IS coming (despite WotC shutting down the UA Ranger) join me in hoping for a *real* change! [/QUOTE]
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