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<blockquote data-quote="Flamestrike" data-source="post: 7634074" data-attributes="member: 6788736"><p>Dude, the whole <em>point </em>of the exercise is to show that Rangers suck mechanically after 5th level. In order to do that it's pretty important to compare them (mechanically) to other classes and 'builds'.</p><p></p><p>You can build a more 'rangery' ranger (i.e. better than the Ranger at sneaking around, doing nature and surival and scouting stuff, mobile fighting and damage) by leaving Ranger and taking levels in Scout Rogue (which I am all but persuaded of the Devs thew in to mainly give Rangers a stealth buff) and Fighter.</p><p></p><p>By 5th level, youve gotten everything useful out of Ranger you're going to get, and you're better off leaving. </p><p></p><p>Heck; even taking 10 levels of <em>Lore Bard</em> after 5 levels of Ranger makes you a better Ranger - you get expertise AND plenty of extra skills, can fluff cutting words as you using your Favored enemy knowledge of the enemies against them, and gain access to the best ranger spells early thanks to Magical secrets, and your spell-casting drastically improves (as do your skills). </p><p></p><p>You literally lose a handful of OK to meh abilities from Ranger in exchange for some vastly superior ones!</p><p></p><p>Seriously; 10 levels of ANY class is better on a Ranger 5 than taking Ranger 6-15, and if your campaign stretches to 20th, taking 15 levels of any other class other than Ranger is better after 5th.</p><p></p><p>That's a sad indictment on the Ranger class as a class.</p><p></p><p>Look at the Xanathars Ranger archetypes (and the Scout). They all are amazing (Monster Hunter and Gloomstaker are up there with Hexblade as 'wowowowo'), and the Scout is built to plug into the Ranger as a backdoor fix also. The few spells for Rangers in the book are great also (Steel Wind strike, Absorb elements, that force of nature one etc)</p><p></p><p>The Devs are onto the issue, and are trying to fix it by bolting on powerful archetypes, spells and stealth fixes to the Ranger as the game goes on.</p><p></p><p>It's still not enough to make me want to take more than 5 levels in the class though.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Flamestrike, post: 7634074, member: 6788736"] Dude, the whole [I]point [/I]of the exercise is to show that Rangers suck mechanically after 5th level. In order to do that it's pretty important to compare them (mechanically) to other classes and 'builds'. You can build a more 'rangery' ranger (i.e. better than the Ranger at sneaking around, doing nature and surival and scouting stuff, mobile fighting and damage) by leaving Ranger and taking levels in Scout Rogue (which I am all but persuaded of the Devs thew in to mainly give Rangers a stealth buff) and Fighter. By 5th level, youve gotten everything useful out of Ranger you're going to get, and you're better off leaving. Heck; even taking 10 levels of [I]Lore Bard[/I] after 5 levels of Ranger makes you a better Ranger - you get expertise AND plenty of extra skills, can fluff cutting words as you using your Favored enemy knowledge of the enemies against them, and gain access to the best ranger spells early thanks to Magical secrets, and your spell-casting drastically improves (as do your skills). You literally lose a handful of OK to meh abilities from Ranger in exchange for some vastly superior ones! Seriously; 10 levels of ANY class is better on a Ranger 5 than taking Ranger 6-15, and if your campaign stretches to 20th, taking 15 levels of any other class other than Ranger is better after 5th. That's a sad indictment on the Ranger class as a class. Look at the Xanathars Ranger archetypes (and the Scout). They all are amazing (Monster Hunter and Gloomstaker are up there with Hexblade as 'wowowowo'), and the Scout is built to plug into the Ranger as a backdoor fix also. The few spells for Rangers in the book are great also (Steel Wind strike, Absorb elements, that force of nature one etc) The Devs are onto the issue, and are trying to fix it by bolting on powerful archetypes, spells and stealth fixes to the Ranger as the game goes on. It's still not enough to make me want to take more than 5 levels in the class though. [/QUOTE]
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