Menu
News
All News
Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
Pathfinder
Starfinder
Warhammer
2d20 System
Year Zero Engine
Industry News
Reviews
Dragon Reflections
Columns
Weekly Digests
Weekly News Digest
Freebies, Sales & Bundles
RPG Print News
RPG Crowdfunding News
Game Content
ENterplanetary DimENsions
Mythological Figures
Opinion
Worlds of Design
Peregrine's Next
RPG Evolution
Other Columns
From the Freelancing Frontline
Monster ENcyclopedia
WotC/TSR Alumni Look Back
4 Hours w/RSD (Ryan Dancey)
The Road to 3E (Jonathan Tweet)
Greenwood's Realms (Ed Greenwood)
Drawmij's TSR (Jim Ward)
Community
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Resources
Wiki
Pages
Latest activity
Media
New media
New comments
Search media
Downloads
Latest reviews
Search resources
EN Publishing
Store
EN5ider
Adventures in ZEITGEIST
Awfully Cheerful Engine
What's OLD is NEW
Judge Dredd & The Worlds Of 2000AD
War of the Burning Sky
Level Up: Advanced 5E
Events & Releases
Upcoming Events
Private Events
Featured Events
Socials!
Twitch
YouTube
Facebook (EN Publishing)
Facebook (EN World)
Twitter
Instagram
TikTok
Podcast
Features
Top 5 RPGs Compiled Charts 2004-Present
Adventure Game Industry Market Research Summary (RPGs) V1.0
Ryan Dancey: Acquiring TSR
Q&A With Gary Gygax
D&D Rules FAQs
TSR, WotC, & Paizo: A Comparative History
D&D Pronunciation Guide
Million Dollar TTRPG Kickstarters
Tabletop RPG Podcast Hall of Fame
Eric Noah's Unofficial D&D 3rd Edition News
D&D in the Mainstream
D&D & RPG History
About Morrus
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Dungeons & Dragons
What is the Ranger to you?
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="Garthanos" data-source="post: 7634588" data-attributes="member: 82504"><p>"Promise" === Oath and he didnt break the promise (ie for an all knowing entity he would personally have been seen to have done no wrong and not at all been disobedient, nevertheless it precipitated his fall and he didnt lose his power over a his own act it was not a lie nor an act he performed, but rather the arbitrary ritual condition being broken - however it was brought about by conflict with a different oath/obligation a marriage one) </p><p></p><p>Heroes taking oath of some kind/to someone and gaining power from it made them special even if others did the same oath to no effect.</p><p></p><p> The oath of the earlier Celtic hero was one of not eating dog meat (from 3500 to 4000 BCE in origin). This was also the source of the word Feat from Dungeons and Dragons. He picked up many and exceeded all his teachers as he did so. He had one that allowed him to warp spasm in battle (a hulk like Berserkergang) . Another common oath of fealty brought him down. He was obliged to accept whatever food his host offered.... so for him it was two oaths (instead of a marriage oath).</p><p></p><p>Marriage bonds included obligations as well which resulted in Samsons problems albeit somewhat less directly and predictably.(Cu Chulainn broke the oath about what you could call his totem the dog, instead of the oath about human interactions, ie hospitality it was an act he actually chose to do)</p><p></p><p>Metaphorically these may have all been lessons about how one can be pulled more than one way in life and how these larger than life characters were empowered to a degree as long as they remained single minded about their motivations were an encouragement I suppose to show how we too can be bigger greater and better if we are diligent/careful. </p><p></p><p>These are the kind of characters who really seem to be the source of the Paladin archetype who lost his powers becoming merely a fighter when his alignment changed. Something that might be non-coincidental the examples I find seem to all use berserkergang in their fighting style.</p><p></p><p> The original Paladin word in history were a kings highest court knights not even directly church associated however weirdly you can use in your argument one of them a bishop was at least claimed as inspiration for the Cleric.</p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Wait this is the Ranger thread not the Paladin one sorry for diverging so much</span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Garthanos, post: 7634588, member: 82504"] "Promise" === Oath and he didnt break the promise (ie for an all knowing entity he would personally have been seen to have done no wrong and not at all been disobedient, nevertheless it precipitated his fall and he didnt lose his power over a his own act it was not a lie nor an act he performed, but rather the arbitrary ritual condition being broken - however it was brought about by conflict with a different oath/obligation a marriage one) Heroes taking oath of some kind/to someone and gaining power from it made them special even if others did the same oath to no effect. The oath of the earlier Celtic hero was one of not eating dog meat (from 3500 to 4000 BCE in origin). This was also the source of the word Feat from Dungeons and Dragons. He picked up many and exceeded all his teachers as he did so. He had one that allowed him to warp spasm in battle (a hulk like Berserkergang) . Another common oath of fealty brought him down. He was obliged to accept whatever food his host offered.... so for him it was two oaths (instead of a marriage oath). Marriage bonds included obligations as well which resulted in Samsons problems albeit somewhat less directly and predictably.(Cu Chulainn broke the oath about what you could call his totem the dog, instead of the oath about human interactions, ie hospitality it was an act he actually chose to do) Metaphorically these may have all been lessons about how one can be pulled more than one way in life and how these larger than life characters were empowered to a degree as long as they remained single minded about their motivations were an encouragement I suppose to show how we too can be bigger greater and better if we are diligent/careful. These are the kind of characters who really seem to be the source of the Paladin archetype who lost his powers becoming merely a fighter when his alignment changed. Something that might be non-coincidental the examples I find seem to all use berserkergang in their fighting style. The original Paladin word in history were a kings highest court knights not even directly church associated however weirdly you can use in your argument one of them a bishop was at least claimed as inspiration for the Cleric. [FONT=Verdana]Wait this is the Ranger thread not the Paladin one sorry for diverging so much[/FONT] [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Dungeons & Dragons
What is the Ranger to you?
Top