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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Neonchameleon" data-source="post: 9360525" data-attributes="member: 87792">And psions, whether in 2e, 3.0, or 3.5 are clearly and unequivocally spellcasters. I don't mind the idea that psionicists should be different from spellcasters. But <a href="https://www.d20srd.org/srd/psionic/powers/levitatePsionic.htm" target="_blank">this</a> is a spell and they didn't even bother to file many of the serial numbers off, just calling it something else and making it use a power point rather than a slot system with numbers that directly translate.Levitate, Psionic Psychoportation Level:     Nomad 2, psion/wilder 2, psychic warrior 2 Display:     Olfactory Manifesting Time:     1 standard action Range:     Personal or close (25 ft. + 5 ft./2 levels) Target:     You or one willing creature or one object (total weight up to 100 lb./level) Duration:     10 min./level (D) Saving Throw:     None Power Resistance:     Yes (harmless, object) Power Points:     3 As the levitate spell, except as noted here. Special When a psion, wilder, or a psychic warrior manifests this power, the target is the manifester (not a willing creature or an object). Which is why Psions have always always been a disappointment. The only thing that made Psions more loved than the Aberrant Mind was 70 pages of custom crafted spells in 2e and 3.5.You mean Detect Magic, and Dominate Person. What you're describing could just as easily be a bard.Is it possible to have psionic powers that are not spells? Yes. The Soulknife manages it - and GURPS does it well, differentiating between psionics and magic. But the Psion? That's a spellcaster with access to different spells.Both Storm Herald Barbarians and Storm Soul Sorcerers channel the storm. But only one of them is a spellcaster. The Psion is an implementation of a psychic as a spellcaster. And for all psionics aren't magic neither is the storm. This doesn't prevent Storm Soul Sorcerers from casting.The Psion meanwhile is very specifically "You have a weird mind and you cast these spells" type of deal. The only difference is that the wizard has a spell book and a familiar and the psion has their mind, a psicrystal, and different spells.Meanwhile D&D's sorcerer is very specifically "for weird subclass specific reasons you can cast these spells" type of deal. The Aberrant Mind Sorcerer fits that perfectly (give or take a Far Realm overtone).Indeed. Tassadar is not a Psion. He's psionic. A Soulknife would just use Psychic Whispers.A Psion would meanwhile not cast "Thoughttalk" but cast <a href="https://www.d20srd.org/srd/psionic/powers/mindlink.htm" target="_blank">Mindlink</a> or even <a href="https://www.d20srd.org/srd/psionic/powers/suggestionPsionic.htm" target="_blank">Suggestion (Psionic)</a>.And all the Psion has ever been is a sorcerer with the serial numbers filed off that uses psionics to cast spells. I like psionicists who don't cast spells. I like the Soulknife who is an actual, genuine, non-casting psychic. But stop pretending that Psions didn't cast spells just because they cast Teleportation Circle, Psionic rather than Teleportation Circle please.And the big difference between 5e psionics and 3.X/2e psionics? Yes there are a number of grumblers who want Psions with their 70 pages of spells and nothing else will do. But in practice Psionics are far more common at the tables now than they ever have been. And don't get banned unlike the Psionic splatbooks.</blockquote>

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