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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mecheon" data-source="post: 9361436" data-attributes="member: 6801776">D&D wizards are inspired by Dying Earth. Like, we don't need this whole other stuff, we can just say "D&D wizards are inspired by the Dying Earth books which are basically irrelevant in today's pop culture"Every class in Dungeons and Dragons isn't based on historical traditions and instead based on fictional representations. The wizard is from Dying Earth. The cleric is a mash up of a templar and Van Hellsing. The paladin is Lancelot or any Knight of the Round Table. The ranger is Aragorn. The monk is a mash-up of various martial arts movies. This is how every D&D class was developedIf "Not inspired by real life traditions" is a problem for the psion, then it should be a problem for every single class in the gameYou and I have really different definitions of wizard and you are stretching that thing hard. D&D's wizard is "The guy who what uses a spellbook to cast spells". The sorcerer is "The guy who can cast those spells the wizard casts but not spellbook (sometimes other ones)". Tassadar ain't doing either of those.They're clearly not? Mewtwo's a psychic abomination cloned from the few scraps they could get from Mew who destroyed a laboratory. He isn't a wizard. He isn't a sorcerer. He's the strong Psychic type pokemon around. Go and tell Pokemon fans he's actually a wizard or sorcerer and you'll be laughed out the buildingHell, his main ability is Shadow Orb which is a ghost type attack.Are you saying you wouldn't just use a similar function to the spellcasting mechanics to represent that? Chop off the top stuff, sure, but its 3d6 damage all the sameI mean, no, its because when people expect to play a psion they expect to play a psion, and Aberrant Mind's flavour is "You're an arcane caster with a pinch of psionics and also tentacles"I mean, this is ultimately the crux of the thread. I'm a "Yeah 15 classes is fine, trying to squish everything into 3 classes is a doomed endevour that just strips flavour and interest away from those classes and, despite people often saying it as a plan, I have never seen it executed well, merely giving the barest approach to those consumed classes. Its better to have more classes to really live the class theme" person, after all.Which fails to capture the sheer depth of psionic characters and themes. We're getting back to "Battlelord is sufficient for Warlord" arguments here,  which many, many, many threads at this point have shown it isn't and folks still want a fully fledged Warlord class. Aberrant Mind is the same but for psions.I mean, if you can get the numbers of Kibbles Psion or Warlord, or just like, this <a href="https://www.dmsguild.com/product/299141/The-Korranberg-Chronicle-Psions-Primer--A-Complete-Psionics-System?" target="_blank">platnium selling one on the DMs guild</a>, then sure, that'd prove it! (I actually did come across a neat Truenamer on the DMs guild, had some fun alterations for a more high tech setting)We're gonna agree to disagree on that. Stuff like Level Up shows people are fine with adding complexitiy to 5E's system, with a lot of people saying its problems are not adding in these extra classes and options older editions had</blockquote>

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