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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Neonchameleon" data-source="post: 9362580" data-attributes="member: 87792">Hear hear. I absolutely support high power psychics being able to do all that. But when we have tried to define psychic spells we've ended up with such abominations as "Moment of Prescience, Psionic" (and I think I've used a different one of these pieces of nonsense in each comment and continue for a long time). I have asked repeatedly what sort of magics the wizard or the cleric shouldn't be able to cast that psychics should - and been met by as I recall a pretty resounding silence. The wizard/cleric split was baked in at the beginning and you can roughly explain the difference and what wizards can't do and what clerics can, but psionic classics like Suggestion, Command, or Modify Memory have always been there for other classes.Unless you can explicitly say and get reasonable general agreement on what wizards and clerics shouldn't be able to do that psychics can then if you want to use spells the way the Psion does then just use the spells that are already there and (unless you can find a completely different approach in the way the psion failed to even if all (non-warlock) 5e casters cast more like 3.5 psions than their own 3.5 classes) the classes that are already there. Y'know, the way the Aberrant Mind does. And then make the psychics better at casting their own spells than the wizards are. Y'know, again the way the Aberrant Mind is.  Or add spells and leave them off the wizard list but on the sorcerer or warlock list. If, on the other hand, you have an entirely different casting system in mind (whether Soulknife/Psy Warrior style, Mystic style, Incarnum style, Trunenamer style, or whatever) then feel free to offer it.Alternatively we already got multiple subclasses that are psionic. I might find interesting something that takes the Soulknife and the Psi Warrior and builds them up into a class.And I'm going to say openly that the 3.5 Psion is fondly remembered because its casting system was outright better than the core 3.5 casters. So lead to a positive play experience. But those are nostalgia goggles for the mechanics and now everyone has flexible spell levels and slots and upcasting - and the Aberrant Mind is better at fulfilling the themes of a psychic character (rather than a good generic caster) than the psion ever was.</blockquote>

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