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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Aldarc" data-source="post: 9365059" data-attributes="member: 5142">IMHO, Third Edition probably was psionics at its most balanced, though not at first. The 3.0e psionics by Bruce Cordell were a trainwreck. Bruce Cordell's revision in 3.5e made psionics much better, though not perfect when it comes to the various classes. The soulknife. for example, woefully underperformed. There was a subequent revision, much as PF1 did for core 3.5, Dreamscarred Press did for 3.5 psionics, updating it for PF1. Dreamscarred Press introduced a lot more psionic classes than the ones originally part of 3.5e. That was probably the pinnacle of psionics. It was Dreamscarred Press's passion project. Sadly Dreamscarred Press basically crashed and burned some time after their Kickstarter for updating psionics for Starfinder 1. The Psion during this time was Tier 4 (out of 5) in power, as was the case for any class that took you to 9th level spells or equivalent. So while it was powerful, it wasn't Druid, Cleric, or Wizard levels of godhood. In 3e psionics counted as magic for most effects. Things like Dispel Magic, Spell Resistance, Detect Magic, etc. would equally affect Psionics as it did other forms of magic. Psionics used power points instead of spells, but you were limited by your character level in terms of how much you could upcast spells. There were also psionic feats that let you - much like a 5e Warlock's invocations - have spell-like psionic abilities as long as you had a mechanic called Psionic Focus, and you could expend your Psionic Focus sometimes for other benefits. I do not mind using the pre-existing spell system and spells for psionics. I am not opposed to psionic subclasses. I am not a fan, however, of having psionics relegated to only subclasses, particularly of the Sorcerer. It would be nice to have at least one Psion/Psychic/Mystic or whatever people want to call it. It can use spells, but I would like a tighter thematic and aesthetic focus for the Psion with a psionic spell list and not just the Sorcerer or Warlock spell list plus some psionic ones bolted on. My preference for primary stat for a Psion would be Wisdom > Intelligence > Charisma. I think that there are more than enough potential subclasses for just a Psion to warrant a Psion full class rather than relegate one flavor of Psion to a single subclass. But more than that, I don't like being aggressively and abrasively shouted at and told to shut up and like the Aberrant Mind Sorcerer or that it's the best psion for 5e. That sort of behavior has worked against the arguments of the person and have done just as much to turn me off from the Aberrant Mind Sorcerer as my other pre-existing preferences. Someone can scream at me until the cows come home that the Aberrant Mind Sorcerer is the best Psion for 5e or that Psions are just Sorcerers, but that doesn't change the fact for me that it fails to scratch my itch for psionics. Those are the breaks. I doubt it.</blockquote>

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