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What is the "Simple" Full Casting Class?
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<blockquote data-quote="ezo" data-source="post: 9485533" data-attributes="member: 7037866"><p>Yeah, the <em>are</em>. When you level, you get two spells from the LARGEST BY FAR spell list if you are a wizard.</p><p></p><p>Even at 1st level, you pick 6 out of something like 40+ 1st level spells!?! Still more than double the cleric list even if you are only using the PHB. Meanwhile, the cleric picks 4 or 5 out of 15.</p><p></p><p>Clerics also have much fewer utility spells and their spells focus mostly on buffs, damage, or healing.</p><p></p><p>But wizards are known for utility as well as buffs, direct damage, and AoE damage. A well-equipped wizard has to think long and hard about what spells to gain when they level up <em>because</em> they cannot just replace a bad choice on a long rest.</p><p></p><p>Clerics, however, find their role in the party and a select handful of preferred spells, rarely ever having the need to change them. Yet wizards easily swap out their prepared spells (usually only a couple) on a near day-to-day basis depending on the needs they thing will arise.</p><p></p><p>And, if you <em>are</em> in a game where wizards gain spell scrolls or capture enemy spellbooks (wicih is usually the case!), then you will have even more spells to go through and decide if you need to swap something out on this day or that day.</p><p></p><p>When it comes to spell selection / preparation, clerics are more easily defined by their choices, don't change them as often, and don't have access to nearly as many spells when it comes to spell list size.</p><p></p><p>If you can't agree with that still, fine, but you aren't going to convince me that wizards have it easier when it comes to spell selection over clerics.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ezo, post: 9485533, member: 7037866"] Yeah, the [I]are[/I]. When you level, you get two spells from the LARGEST BY FAR spell list if you are a wizard. Even at 1st level, you pick 6 out of something like 40+ 1st level spells!?! Still more than double the cleric list even if you are only using the PHB. Meanwhile, the cleric picks 4 or 5 out of 15. Clerics also have much fewer utility spells and their spells focus mostly on buffs, damage, or healing. But wizards are known for utility as well as buffs, direct damage, and AoE damage. A well-equipped wizard has to think long and hard about what spells to gain when they level up [I]because[/I] they cannot just replace a bad choice on a long rest. Clerics, however, find their role in the party and a select handful of preferred spells, rarely ever having the need to change them. Yet wizards easily swap out their prepared spells (usually only a couple) on a near day-to-day basis depending on the needs they thing will arise. And, if you [I]are[/I] in a game where wizards gain spell scrolls or capture enemy spellbooks (wicih is usually the case!), then you will have even more spells to go through and decide if you need to swap something out on this day or that day. When it comes to spell selection / preparation, clerics are more easily defined by their choices, don't change them as often, and don't have access to nearly as many spells when it comes to spell list size. If you can't agree with that still, fine, but you aren't going to convince me that wizards have it easier when it comes to spell selection over clerics. [/QUOTE]
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