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<blockquote data-quote="GreyLord" data-source="post: 9150259" data-attributes="member: 4348"><p>I think you guys have missed a few Star Wars movies, including a theatrical release (though originally it wasn't slated for the theaters).</p><p></p><p>I personally like all 6 of the Main Lucas Star Wars films. If they had been left alone, they would have had a significant impact. They are as significant probably as Gone with the Wind or Wizard of Oz, if not MORE significant. They would have been remembered (still might be, don't know how much Disney will tarnish or overuse it) for a long time.</p><p></p><p>However, most of the movies afterwards have not had quite the impact or impression. To me, of the more recent releases, there have only really been two that really have stood out to me as being Star Wars movies that fans and others will adore for awhile...the others could be maligned or forgotten quite a bit.</p><p></p><p>The Clone Wars (As shown in this thread...no one actually remembers it was a theatrical release). This film probably has less impact than any other theatrical released Star Wars Film. Probably for good reason.</p><p></p><p>The Force Awakens (this one is probably one of those that is debatable whether it is adored or not, but I see more adoration than dislike. It's full of what COULD have been to most fans...if the films had actually followed a solid storyline in one direction).</p><p></p><p>The Last Jedi (this is the film that is well made for a film, but so ridiculous I said to myself after seeing it...I really don't think the EU [Lucas's EU, the one made under his authority] could be worse than this. I really haven't cared for it and thought it was second rate...but...heck...nothing could be THIS stupid. A 2d space chase with a time limit where they obviously can get off and go to hyperspace and use that fuel with a small craft which no one even misses...yeah...even I can't suspend my imagination to close that loophole. Apparently there are many others who have much worse opinions than that).</p><p></p><p>Rise of Skywalker (I actually think this has a great Star Wars feel to it. I think it's actually pretty decent as a star wars film and captures the Star Wars mood. I am in a very small minority apparently. People seem to abhore this movie like it was the abomination from the unspeakable pit).</p><p></p><p>Solo (okay, not bad...it has one scene I absolutely love [when they evade the Star Destroyer Blockade] but, it has some shenanigance which is just dumb [for example...They are going to say Han Solo got the name Solo that way....really...seriously...roll my eyes]. This one isn't great though and is mostly forgettable. It's a movie no one wanted and no one asked for...but they made it anyways).</p><p></p><p>Rogue One (the unexpected Gem. Just like Solo, it really wasn't the movie anyone asked for...but a LOT of people think this is the only salvageable movie from Disney's Star Wars).</p><p></p><p>So...on that count it looks like 2/6 movies are good, or could be counted as leaning in that directly...but...wait...we forgot two MORE movies). These come from before the Prequel trilogy era...</p><p></p><p>The Ewok Adventure (that no one remembers to mention this TV movie when discussing Star Wars movies probably says all there is to say about it).</p><p></p><p>Caravan of Courage (I think that's what it's called. If the Ewok Adventure is listed on the bad, this would be of even less reknown).</p><p></p><p>So out of 14 films, thats 8 films that are good? If we take out the Prequels (as someone suggested) we are down to 4 or 5 (depending on your slant for the Force Awakens I suppose). </p><p></p><p>I'd say as far as movies go, Star Trek isn't really doing THAT bad. I'd count 2, 4, 6, 8, 10, 11, 12, and 13 as good movies at least, with 3, 7, and 9 being at least as good as the average Star Wars movie that's good. </p><p></p><p>Star Trek has far more TV episodes than Star Wars does overall...and I think Star Trek probably has more Emmys at this point.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="GreyLord, post: 9150259, member: 4348"] I think you guys have missed a few Star Wars movies, including a theatrical release (though originally it wasn't slated for the theaters). I personally like all 6 of the Main Lucas Star Wars films. If they had been left alone, they would have had a significant impact. They are as significant probably as Gone with the Wind or Wizard of Oz, if not MORE significant. They would have been remembered (still might be, don't know how much Disney will tarnish or overuse it) for a long time. However, most of the movies afterwards have not had quite the impact or impression. To me, of the more recent releases, there have only really been two that really have stood out to me as being Star Wars movies that fans and others will adore for awhile...the others could be maligned or forgotten quite a bit. The Clone Wars (As shown in this thread...no one actually remembers it was a theatrical release). This film probably has less impact than any other theatrical released Star Wars Film. Probably for good reason. The Force Awakens (this one is probably one of those that is debatable whether it is adored or not, but I see more adoration than dislike. It's full of what COULD have been to most fans...if the films had actually followed a solid storyline in one direction). The Last Jedi (this is the film that is well made for a film, but so ridiculous I said to myself after seeing it...I really don't think the EU [Lucas's EU, the one made under his authority] could be worse than this. I really haven't cared for it and thought it was second rate...but...heck...nothing could be THIS stupid. A 2d space chase with a time limit where they obviously can get off and go to hyperspace and use that fuel with a small craft which no one even misses...yeah...even I can't suspend my imagination to close that loophole. Apparently there are many others who have much worse opinions than that). Rise of Skywalker (I actually think this has a great Star Wars feel to it. I think it's actually pretty decent as a star wars film and captures the Star Wars mood. I am in a very small minority apparently. People seem to abhore this movie like it was the abomination from the unspeakable pit). Solo (okay, not bad...it has one scene I absolutely love [when they evade the Star Destroyer Blockade] but, it has some shenanigance which is just dumb [for example...They are going to say Han Solo got the name Solo that way....really...seriously...roll my eyes]. This one isn't great though and is mostly forgettable. It's a movie no one wanted and no one asked for...but they made it anyways). Rogue One (the unexpected Gem. Just like Solo, it really wasn't the movie anyone asked for...but a LOT of people think this is the only salvageable movie from Disney's Star Wars). So...on that count it looks like 2/6 movies are good, or could be counted as leaning in that directly...but...wait...we forgot two MORE movies). These come from before the Prequel trilogy era... The Ewok Adventure (that no one remembers to mention this TV movie when discussing Star Wars movies probably says all there is to say about it). Caravan of Courage (I think that's what it's called. If the Ewok Adventure is listed on the bad, this would be of even less reknown). So out of 14 films, thats 8 films that are good? If we take out the Prequels (as someone suggested) we are down to 4 or 5 (depending on your slant for the Force Awakens I suppose). I'd say as far as movies go, Star Trek isn't really doing THAT bad. I'd count 2, 4, 6, 8, 10, 11, 12, and 13 as good movies at least, with 3, 7, and 9 being at least as good as the average Star Wars movie that's good. Star Trek has far more TV episodes than Star Wars does overall...and I think Star Trek probably has more Emmys at this point. [/QUOTE]
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