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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Crothian" data-source="post: 3450847" data-attributes="member: 232">edited to be kinderNot flip flopping.  It can be one or the other or both.  They are not mutually exclusive.  Except for that part where they feel that stats make on heroic and I don't.  I say the actions define heroic.  A character with all 18's that does not is not heroic.  A character with all 3's though that tries to save lies has a chance to be successful and a heroic.  And that small chance is still greater then the all 18 guy that does nothing.I just feel that a characters action define a heroic character more then a character's stats.</blockquote>