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<blockquote data-quote="Cap'n Kobold" data-source="post: 8062578" data-attributes="member: 6802951">A lot of the issues with the Fighter is the belief that anything effective that they can do out of combat should default to Ability/skill checks. Of which the casters get the same capabilities in addition to all their spells, and the rogues just plain do better at.Fit in with the common folk? Wizards don't need to wear pointy hats or robes. Impress a noble to do you a favour? Wizards can make Charisma checks as well. And so on.So: What can you give Fighters out of combat that has the same narrative relevance as the utility spells of the equivalent level caster?Is this something that would be determined by the subclass/specialisation a la Minigiant's excellent list?Or is there anything that we can grant fighters baseline that doesn't strain the &quot;mundane only&quot; crowd and that other classes can't poach?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Cap'n Kobold, post: 8062578, member: 6802951"] A lot of the issues with the Fighter is the belief that anything effective that they can do out of combat should default to Ability/skill checks. Of which the casters get the [I]same [/I]capabilities [I]in addition[/I] to all their spells, and the rogues just plain do [I]better [/I]at. Fit in with the common folk? Wizards don't need to wear pointy hats or robes. Impress a noble to do you a favour? Wizards can make Charisma checks as well. And so on. So: What can you give Fighters [I][B]out of combat[/B][/I] that has the same narrative relevance as the utility spells of the equivalent level caster? Is this something that would be determined by the subclass/specialisation a la Minigiant's excellent list? Or is there anything that we can grant fighters baseline that doesn't strain the "mundane only" crowd and that other classes can't poach? [/QUOTE]

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