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<blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 8063297" data-attributes="member: 6801228"><p>Except, spellcasters are also typically better in combat too. </p><p></p><p>I mean, sure, the Fighter can kill ten goblins with his sword, if he is 20th level and burns a chunk of his resources, he might even possibly be able to do it in 2 rounds. </p><p></p><p></p><p>Fireball does it in a single action, and by 20th level isn't even breaking a sweat for the Wizard. </p><p></p><p>Not to say there are not flaws to magic use, mostly because of concentration, but a wizard can solve combat problems a fighter simply cannot, like denying actions to the enemy, or protecting a crowd of civilians, or preventing a crowd of enemies from escaping. Along with being nearly as deadly if not deadlier, and solving out of combat problems too.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>"Waiting" isn't a solution. It is losing. </p><p></p><p>Sure, they can't keep up the wall of force forever, but they know that to, so they are only trying to delay you until they can accomplish a goal. And your solution is to be delayed, because you have nothing that can do anything else.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Regenerating to half health, as a note.</p><p></p><p>And, an adult red dragon with warcaster literally can't fail a concentration check of less than 15, which means 30 damage in a single strike. With advantage and a +13, I'd give that wizard decent odds of needing to take over 44 points of damage in a single blow to lose concentration.</p><p></p><p>Meaning the fighter needs to just get through all 260 hp of the dragon, who is first of all going to open with a Breath weapon for around 63 damage, then rip and tear for 58 per turn... and when he turns back into a wizard, he just casts another spell like power word stun, or disintegrate or any number of nasty effects, with full health, because the fighter first fought a dragon. </p><p></p><p></p><p>And again, the idea that the wizard is losing out on combat, when they are actually more powerful in and out of combat, boggles me.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Because casters get loot and treasure too. </p><p></p><p>If the fighter needs to get a carpet of flying to start flying (something the wizard could already do) and the wizard gets a staff of fire to give them even more combat spells, the fighter isn't catching up. They are falling behind.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Chaosmancer, post: 8063297, member: 6801228"] Except, spellcasters are also typically better in combat too. I mean, sure, the Fighter can kill ten goblins with his sword, if he is 20th level and burns a chunk of his resources, he might even possibly be able to do it in 2 rounds. Fireball does it in a single action, and by 20th level isn't even breaking a sweat for the Wizard. Not to say there are not flaws to magic use, mostly because of concentration, but a wizard can solve combat problems a fighter simply cannot, like denying actions to the enemy, or protecting a crowd of civilians, or preventing a crowd of enemies from escaping. Along with being nearly as deadly if not deadlier, and solving out of combat problems too. "Waiting" isn't a solution. It is losing. Sure, they can't keep up the wall of force forever, but they know that to, so they are only trying to delay you until they can accomplish a goal. And your solution is to be delayed, because you have nothing that can do anything else. Regenerating to half health, as a note. And, an adult red dragon with warcaster literally can't fail a concentration check of less than 15, which means 30 damage in a single strike. With advantage and a +13, I'd give that wizard decent odds of needing to take over 44 points of damage in a single blow to lose concentration. Meaning the fighter needs to just get through all 260 hp of the dragon, who is first of all going to open with a Breath weapon for around 63 damage, then rip and tear for 58 per turn... and when he turns back into a wizard, he just casts another spell like power word stun, or disintegrate or any number of nasty effects, with full health, because the fighter first fought a dragon. And again, the idea that the wizard is losing out on combat, when they are actually more powerful in and out of combat, boggles me. Because casters get loot and treasure too. If the fighter needs to get a carpet of flying to start flying (something the wizard could already do) and the wizard gets a staff of fire to give them even more combat spells, the fighter isn't catching up. They are falling behind. [/QUOTE]
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