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<blockquote data-quote="TheSword" data-source="post: 8063543" data-attributes="member: 6879661">So many assumptions here. Not least that there is space for a gargantuan dragon.The dragon with its +14 attack bonus is barely denting the magic full plate and magic shield fighter with the duelist feat, shield master and defense fighting style. It’s fire breath barely grazes the fighter because of indomitable, resilient and shield master.Meanwhile the fighters attack bonus and 8 attacks in a round when surging is making short work of the dragons meager 19 AC.Alternatively 44 damage in a round is not difficult for a GWM fighter when critting once or twice a round. Throw in the mage slayer feat to negate warcaster and all of a sudden there is medium sized wizard standing in front of you taking attacks of opportunity when it tries to cast misty step to flee.I’m not saying wizards aren't good but frankly the suggestion that the best thing a wizard can do in a day is attempt to beat a fighter at it’s own game is a bit silly. Red dragons are objectively less tough and deal less damage than a 20th level fighter so it just isn’t the case to say wizards out-fight a fighter.Shapechange is a last resort for a wizard out of spells not a first strike because what sane wizard gives up the flexibility of casting to become a sack of meat and hp with the ability to belch a warm spray at something that is probably resistant to fire.Concentration and reducing slots above 5th level was a game changer. We’re not playing 3e anymore.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="TheSword, post: 8063543, member: 6879661"] So many assumptions here. Not least that there is space for a gargantuan dragon. The dragon with its +14 attack bonus is barely denting the magic full plate and magic shield fighter with the duelist feat, shield master and defense fighting style. It’s fire breath barely grazes the fighter because of indomitable, resilient and shield master. Meanwhile the fighters attack bonus and 8 attacks in a round when surging is making short work of the dragons meager 19 AC. Alternatively 44 damage in a round is not difficult for a GWM fighter when critting once or twice a round. Throw in the mage slayer feat to negate warcaster and all of a sudden there is medium sized wizard standing in front of you taking attacks of opportunity when it tries to cast misty step to flee. I’m not saying wizards aren't good but frankly the suggestion that the best thing a wizard can do in a day is attempt to beat a fighter at it’s own game is a bit silly. Red dragons are objectively less tough and deal less damage than a 20th level fighter so it just isn’t the case to say wizards out-fight a fighter. Shapechange is a last resort for a wizard out of spells not a first strike because what sane wizard gives up the flexibility of casting to become a sack of meat and hp with the ability to belch a warm spray at something that is probably resistant to fire. Concentration and reducing slots above 5th level was a game changer. We’re not playing 3e anymore. [/QUOTE]

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