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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 8063630" data-attributes="member: 6801228">The problem with that, is that many of us are not satisifed with inferior Fighters.Really? Now we are assuming that there is a wall in the exact location the dimension door was going to hit? At some point, you have so many "but what if" to constrain the situation, that it is simply ridiculous. Well, not everyone else is satisified with seeing themselves losing, and all of their loved ones killed, because they didn't have the magic mcguffin. Also, praying to the gods for what? Magic? How will the fiend help? Magic? Almost like.... magic is the only solution to the problem, which was the original statement that was put forth. Which you dismissed with "well, we just wait for the effect to end.Um, this has been a wizard against fighter? I don't know where you are getting the bard from. But, bards also have decent melee stats, so even if you don't count cantrips (and while 4d12 necrotic damage isn't the best, I'd say 26 damage on average isn't worthless by any means)You sure they aren't dumb? Because that just made it so your only attack is to fly down and bite them. Which cancels that nice circle you just made. Or are you forgetting that Beholder Eye Rays don't work within their own anti-magic field?Anyone can take Resilient. War Wizard can add a +4 to  a save as a reaction. Bless is a spell that gives you a bonus to saves. Paladins are casters who give up to a +5 to all saves. I'm sure I could find another few abilities if I looked. Martials have the most, but not every caster is helpless before the saving throw.One thing I've seen before is the idea of giving Fighters and other mundanes more ways to alter probability or use meta-resources. Giving them ways to effect the narrative. Heroic Surges could be used in that vein.1) Adult Reds are Huge, not Garguntuan.2) I didn't pick dragon. The other guy did.I specifically said non-magical armor too. But, even if I give +2 Plate and +2 Shield, Shield Master does nothing for AC. That is 25 normally with a boost up to 31 for one attack.I can still hit that 31, and the AC 25 is half the time.Indomitable is a single re-roll. Resilient Dex, we'll assume that gives you a +13 save, vs DC 21, So, decent chance. of succeeding.But, all of this is assuming three specific feats, and 2 Very Rare magic items. Vs a single spell. Not even the full complement of the Wizard's abilties.Up to five feats. Not saying the Fighter can't do it, just keeping track. The wizard by the way has a single feat used up on Warcaster. And has no magic items yet.And, since when are we assuming crits? Also, that GWM means you don't have that shield for Shield master any more, so your AC just dropped 21/27 and your Dex save is now +9, giving 50/50 full damage and guaranteed half.Additionally, your + to hit is +8 if we assume you used your last remaining ASIs on 20 strength and your using GWM. Meaning 19 AC is up to 50/50 to hit.  The Dragon wasn't even my suggestion. It was the suggestion of the person I was responding to. I agree, I'd kill the fighter with something much more guaranteed to work than going into melee with him as a dragon.Sure, but then you have to give the wizard an equivalent number of high level items. If the fighter has Three Very Rare Items then the wizard can have three items too, and the balance can shift back to the wizard.</blockquote>

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