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What is the vision of the high level fighter?
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<blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 8063693" data-attributes="member: 6801228"><p>If the gods intervene though, then it wasn't the party solving the problem. It is literally a magical Dues Ex Machina. </p><p></p><p>Sure, Pious people pray, but if the gods can just solve the problem... why didn't they just do it before. And if you need a magical Dues Ex Machina doesn't that completely invalidate your assertion than "melee characters can accomplish anything magic can, without magic"? </p><p></p><p>Also, while you may not feel bad about fictional people dying, if it doesn't effect you at all, your DM has done a poor job of setting the stakes. If your failures are causing the end of the world, and the players just shrug, then they never cared enough about the world anyways. </p><p></p><p>And if they do care, then they are going to be upset that they could literally do nothing to save the people they care about.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>So, either use minions or... I don't get what the barring the door even does. If the beholder leaves, the caster has their magic back, and no door is going to stop them</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Ah, I missed the pre-emptive spell point. But, Paladins and Rangers are just as much caster as they are martial. </p><p></p><p>And, it only shuts off you ability to cast a new spell, does nothing to concentration spells (which concentrating on gives you a bonus to saves) so calling it the "worst" is depending on the situation.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Chaosmancer, post: 8063693, member: 6801228"] If the gods intervene though, then it wasn't the party solving the problem. It is literally a magical Dues Ex Machina. Sure, Pious people pray, but if the gods can just solve the problem... why didn't they just do it before. And if you need a magical Dues Ex Machina doesn't that completely invalidate your assertion than "melee characters can accomplish anything magic can, without magic"? Also, while you may not feel bad about fictional people dying, if it doesn't effect you at all, your DM has done a poor job of setting the stakes. If your failures are causing the end of the world, and the players just shrug, then they never cared enough about the world anyways. And if they do care, then they are going to be upset that they could literally do nothing to save the people they care about. So, either use minions or... I don't get what the barring the door even does. If the beholder leaves, the caster has their magic back, and no door is going to stop them Ah, I missed the pre-emptive spell point. But, Paladins and Rangers are just as much caster as they are martial. And, it only shuts off you ability to cast a new spell, does nothing to concentration spells (which concentrating on gives you a bonus to saves) so calling it the "worst" is depending on the situation. [/QUOTE]
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