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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 8064689" data-attributes="member: 6801228">I think this is a fair point. But also, people want to insist on staying non-magical at high levels when that just does not work. I mean, one of the most impressive feats of combat always mentioned (and that I would love to include) is the fighter who meets his match and the two battle for three days. Well, that is over 43,000 rounds of combat. No one can run that. It is literally impossible to do that in DnD, so how could you represent it? Or, Achilles taking on an entire army single-handedly. Amazing stuff, great for a high level warrior.... until you realize casters can already do that.But that is exactly the problem. Anyone can do that. IF being a high-level Fighter means being King Arthur then I just need an artifact sword and a kingdom. A wizard can do that. So can a Cleric, in fact, a war Cleric or a Hexblade warlock is more powerful than a fighter in that situation. So the fighter's big advantage is.... having something anyone can get. That doesn't help anything.Don't you think that being able to represent the same character with 30 hp and 1 attack, or 200 hp and 4 attack (when by the way, within the system of the game, one is clearly superior to the other) is a problem rather than a benefit? If you high level fighter is identical to your low-level fighter, then that is a problem.Then why did you try and pin down a nebulous fictional character as being a high level fighter? I mean, no one twisted your arm, you are the one who said high level fighters are easy to identify. And gave the example of Robin Hood, King Arthur, John Wick, and Achilles. By the way, I can immediately prove that these guys are different power levels. Achilles strode out of his tent and took on an entire army of enemy soldiers single-handedly. No cover, not gimmicks, no guns. Just a sword. Robin Hood was constantly fleeing and tricking the local constabulary of Nottingham. If the castle sent out a squad of soldiers (a squad, not an army) Robin Hood had to fight them with trickery, traps, and superior terrain. John Wick can take on, maybe three men in hand to hand combat? Beyond that he is usually relying on positioning, surprise, and constant movement to make sure that he isn't facing more than that at any one time. So, it seems fairly clear that there is a hiearchy between Robin Hood -> John Wick -> Achilles</blockquote>

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