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<blockquote data-quote="glass" data-source="post: 8065204" data-attributes="member: 12251">I'd have said seven or eight, but you did say &quot;give or take a few levels&quot;. But either way, the points stands: There is nothing that really differentiates a high level Fighter from a low level Fighter in 5e, other than bigger numbers. And those numbers are invisible in a movie, since you do not know what the opposition's numbers are either.So people saying that you could model John Wick as a 20th level Champion Fighter are not wrong per se...and that in my view is the &quot;problem&quot; with the Champion Fighter (&quot;Problem&quot; in scare quotes because I know some people like it that way...but those people have already have the Champion so give me a martial class I might actually wnt to play).This is why I keep saying there should not be a class called &quot;Fighter&quot; in the book (actually, I think all the classes shoudl have new names, but it goes quadruple for the Fighter). Because the Battleaster exists. Some people like that it exists. But for the people who want an actually-complex martial, it is unsalveagable. So leave it to those who want it, and build a martial class or two for those who want more._glass.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="glass, post: 8065204, member: 12251"] I'd have said seven or eight, but you did say "give or take a few levels". But either way, the points stands: There is nothing that really differentiates a high level Fighter from a low level Fighter in 5e, other than bigger numbers. And those numbers are invisible in a movie, since you do not know what the opposition's numbers are either. So people saying that you could model John Wick as a 20th level Champion Fighter are not wrong per se...and that in my view is the "problem" with the Champion Fighter ("Problem" in scare quotes because I know some people like it that way...but those people have already have the Champion so give me a martial class I might actually wnt to play). This is why I keep saying there should not be a class called "Fighter" in the book (actually, I think all the classes shoudl have new names, but it goes quadruple for the Fighter). Because the Battleaster exists. Some people like that it exists. But for the people who want an actually-complex martial, it is unsalveagable. So leave it to those who want it, and build a martial class or two for those who want more. _ glass. [/QUOTE]

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