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Message: <blockquote data-quote="DND_Reborn" data-source="post: 8066141" data-attributes="member: 6987520">Except this was never the narrative IME in any edition of D&D the I played in, and in AD&D wizards were even more powerful than in 5E. Of course, I never had an issue with the so-called LFQW problem others felt existed. Now, in BECMI, we got into the Immortals. The type of earth-forming powers and such there was truly godlike and superheroic. 3E had epic levels 21-30 IIRC, and that is where that stuff belongs.So, IMO, averagers, demigods, etc. are getting into epic levels, what would be 21-30 in 5E. After all, artifact-type powers such as the Infinity Stones is power beyond anything presented in 5E DMG. Sure, high magic in 5E is powerful, but most of it doesn't come close to approaching anything what you see in a lot of the avenger movies.But hey, that is part of the beauty of D&D. If you think superhero level stuff falls in the 20 and under range, that is your view, but I just don't see it.</blockquote>