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<blockquote data-quote="Neonchameleon" data-source="post: 8067831" data-attributes="member: 87792"><p>At the cost of a permanent two stat points in a key stat or a significant amount of combat potential you can get a fighter character who has one single skill that will scale as well as a bard will <em>if the Bard doesn't really care about that skill </em>(remember that Bards get expertise as a class feature). And if the bard doesn't choose to focus on persuasion they still cancel out your first two proficiency increases with spending their first two ability boosts on CHA, which they are going to do anyway. Meaning in the skill you have chosen to give up significant combat potential for you are either equal to or behind a not particularly interested bard until level 13.</p><p></p><p>But the Bard doesn't just get skills. They get spells that support what they do. Cantrips like Minor Image, Message, and Prestidigitation help. So do first level spells like Disguise Self, Charm Person, Comprehend Languages and Illusionary Servant. So do second level spells like Detect Thoughts, Suggestion, and Zone of Truth. And no, a Bard isn't going to have <em>all</em> of those. But they can have some - and because combat is a simple process you don't need many combat spells. And on a day by day basis the Bard gets to decide where to spend their spell slots while the fighter's feat is permanently gone.</p><p></p><p>And I'm not sure what makes you think that your fighter can explore really well. They are in general good at climbing things - but not very good at spotting them, are frequently slow and not good at stealth, and don't have any real abilities to help. The Barbarian, for example, is significantly better in every way here.</p><p></p><p>All of which means your fighter isn't so much good at the social pillar as <em>not entirely incompetent. </em>But well behind a bard who isn't even trying to be an expert at persuading.</p><p></p><p>As for "the tradeoff is I get to be ace in combat" feats are valuable. You gave up a significant amount of being ace in combat when you chose to permanently burn an entire feat to be able to play in another field at all. The tradeoff for the fighter getting to be vaguely competent at social skills rather than being the worst is that you cease to be actually ace in combat. This is a cost not paid by spellcasters.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Neonchameleon, post: 8067831, member: 87792"] At the cost of a permanent two stat points in a key stat or a significant amount of combat potential you can get a fighter character who has one single skill that will scale as well as a bard will [I]if the Bard doesn't really care about that skill [/I](remember that Bards get expertise as a class feature). And if the bard doesn't choose to focus on persuasion they still cancel out your first two proficiency increases with spending their first two ability boosts on CHA, which they are going to do anyway. Meaning in the skill you have chosen to give up significant combat potential for you are either equal to or behind a not particularly interested bard until level 13. But the Bard doesn't just get skills. They get spells that support what they do. Cantrips like Minor Image, Message, and Prestidigitation help. So do first level spells like Disguise Self, Charm Person, Comprehend Languages and Illusionary Servant. So do second level spells like Detect Thoughts, Suggestion, and Zone of Truth. And no, a Bard isn't going to have [I]all[/I] of those. But they can have some - and because combat is a simple process you don't need many combat spells. And on a day by day basis the Bard gets to decide where to spend their spell slots while the fighter's feat is permanently gone. And I'm not sure what makes you think that your fighter can explore really well. They are in general good at climbing things - but not very good at spotting them, are frequently slow and not good at stealth, and don't have any real abilities to help. The Barbarian, for example, is significantly better in every way here. All of which means your fighter isn't so much good at the social pillar as [I]not entirely incompetent. [/I]But well behind a bard who isn't even trying to be an expert at persuading. As for "the tradeoff is I get to be ace in combat" feats are valuable. You gave up a significant amount of being ace in combat when you chose to permanently burn an entire feat to be able to play in another field at all. The tradeoff for the fighter getting to be vaguely competent at social skills rather than being the worst is that you cease to be actually ace in combat. This is a cost not paid by spellcasters. [/QUOTE]
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