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<blockquote data-quote="Tales and Chronicles" data-source="post: 8067837" data-attributes="member: 6871653"><p>They dont cost much because they dont do much. They dont bring the same advantage as in 3.X. </p><p></p><p>At best what? You reconned a zone you will visit anyway in advance? You avoided an ambush, which with the way 5e handles Surprise (aka, it sucks) is really no big deal and not guaranteed even if the enemies were hidden or invisible? Can wade into battle with its 1 hp to give advantage, which in 5e is really easy to come by anyway, being easy prey for readied action and ranged attacks? It took one hit that would've been directed to an ally? It can cast the wizard's touch spells? There's like 3 of them in the game!</p><p></p><p>Yes, the damn bird can fly and has the flyby and darkvision feature, but so what? darkvision is still disadvantage (canceling their advantage) to perception with a meager +3 to their skill roll, cant still see creature that are, like, inside or have full covers from the canopy. They wont spot traps that are hidden, with their -4 investigation or wont be able to recognize them as trap. </p><p></p><p>I think part of the problem is that the DM let them be too powerful, navigating corridors like its open air, ignoring the disadvantage for perception, forgetting readied action exists for enemies or have Perception be the be-all-end-all to scout.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Tales and Chronicles, post: 8067837, member: 6871653"] They dont cost much because they dont do much. They dont bring the same advantage as in 3.X. At best what? You reconned a zone you will visit anyway in advance? You avoided an ambush, which with the way 5e handles Surprise (aka, it sucks) is really no big deal and not guaranteed even if the enemies were hidden or invisible? Can wade into battle with its 1 hp to give advantage, which in 5e is really easy to come by anyway, being easy prey for readied action and ranged attacks? It took one hit that would've been directed to an ally? It can cast the wizard's touch spells? There's like 3 of them in the game! Yes, the damn bird can fly and has the flyby and darkvision feature, but so what? darkvision is still disadvantage (canceling their advantage) to perception with a meager +3 to their skill roll, cant still see creature that are, like, inside or have full covers from the canopy. They wont spot traps that are hidden, with their -4 investigation or wont be able to recognize them as trap. I think part of the problem is that the DM let them be too powerful, navigating corridors like its open air, ignoring the disadvantage for perception, forgetting readied action exists for enemies or have Perception be the be-all-end-all to scout. [/QUOTE]
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