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<blockquote data-quote="tetrasodium" data-source="post: 8067885" data-attributes="member: 93670"><p>Indeed. The "problem" with fighters in social situations isn't so much that they "can't" contribute so much as they need to contribute <em>as a fighter</em> rather than a face character with lots of charisma wotc buried that under an anemic selection of half finished skills. For all the page space wasted on ability checks rather than skill checks on phb174 & elsewere, they screw the pooch & highlight that it's still actually just skill checks on the next page by saying that they were just kidding because it's really still just skill checks & each skill has the ability preset unless you use a <em>Variant</em> rule</p><p></p><p>Take the A-Team as an example, there were plenty of examples where the face character known as <a href="https://carboncostume.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/johnhannibalsmith.jpg" target="_blank">Hannibal</a> was trying to convince a bunch of bad guys who weren't buying it & it's obvious he's going to fail hard. <a href="http://www.ateamresource.com/gallery/file304.png" target="_blank">BA Baracus</a> doesn't jump in trying to charm the bad guys, he uses strength(intimidate) to drop an engine on one of the ring leaders... Maybe <a href="http://ateamresource.com/article-24.html" target="_blank">Murdock</a> uses int(arcana) to trigger the alarm so it calls the police or forces the badguys to back off ior he's going to drop this broken lamp in the barrel of jet fuel there in the garage.</p><p></p><p>Don't just try to copy the bard, own the fact that your a fighter & be a big scary <a href="https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheBrute" target="_blank">brute</a>, Brianne of Tarth doesn't (successfully plead with charm because that's not her thing)... she lays out that <a href="https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WeaponForIntimidation" target="_blank">giant intimidating sword</a> & explains how easy it would be to <a href="https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AppealToForce" target="_blank">appeal to force</a> by asking her floundering bard how many bones she can break if this keeps up.</p><p></p><p>Trying to shove players out of that reinforced steel box of skill checks where each skill has a specific defined set of uses & associated ability rather than doing things that make sense with each ability & adding the proficiency bonus if the gm agrees it makes sense in the situation is and extremely difficult uphill struggle & that "variant" inclusion on skills with different ability scores makes it needlessly so.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="tetrasodium, post: 8067885, member: 93670"] Indeed. The "problem" with fighters in social situations isn't so much that they "can't" contribute so much as they need to contribute [I]as a fighter[/I] rather than a face character with lots of charisma wotc buried that under an anemic selection of half finished skills. For all the page space wasted on ability checks rather than skill checks on phb174 & elsewere, they screw the pooch & highlight that it's still actually just skill checks on the next page by saying that they were just kidding because it's really still just skill checks & each skill has the ability preset unless you use a [I]Variant[/I] rule Take the A-Team as an example, there were plenty of examples where the face character known as [URL='https://carboncostume.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/johnhannibalsmith.jpg']Hannibal[/URL] was trying to convince a bunch of bad guys who weren't buying it & it's obvious he's going to fail hard. [URL='http://www.ateamresource.com/gallery/file304.png']BA Baracus[/URL] doesn't jump in trying to charm the bad guys, he uses strength(intimidate) to drop an engine on one of the ring leaders... Maybe [URL='http://ateamresource.com/article-24.html']Murdock[/URL] uses int(arcana) to trigger the alarm so it calls the police or forces the badguys to back off ior he's going to drop this broken lamp in the barrel of jet fuel there in the garage. Don't just try to copy the bard, own the fact that your a fighter & be a big scary [URL='https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheBrute']brute[/URL], Brianne of Tarth doesn't (successfully plead with charm because that's not her thing)... she lays out that [URL='https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WeaponForIntimidation']giant intimidating sword[/URL] & explains how easy it would be to [URL='https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AppealToForce']appeal to force[/URL] by asking her floundering bard how many bones she can break if this keeps up. Trying to shove players out of that reinforced steel box of skill checks where each skill has a specific defined set of uses & associated ability rather than doing things that make sense with each ability & adding the proficiency bonus if the gm agrees it makes sense in the situation is and extremely difficult uphill struggle & that "variant" inclusion on skills with different ability scores makes it needlessly so. [/QUOTE]
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