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What is the vision of the high level fighter?
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<blockquote data-quote="Neonchameleon" data-source="post: 8067917" data-attributes="member: 87792"><p>The familiar is a strong class feature - but it isn't a silent parrot drone. It's only +3 to stealth, meaning that it's going to get caught fairly regularly. Also after about second level enemies aren't stupid - if they see an owl doing weird things they know it's a familiar, although it makes a great eye in the sky. The Pact of the Chain Warlock's Imp is a whole different story - it's both intelligent and invisible. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>This comparison is ridiculous; the fighter doesn't have more feats than anyone else until sixth level. Meanwhile the Bard has two cantrips and four other spells (one each for healing, exploration, offence, and social) at <em>first </em>level. By sixth level, the first time the fighter has a <em>single </em>feat more than anyone else, the bard has three cantrips and nine spells of higher level. Second by sixth level the bard has expertise on two skills and has inspiration on a short rest - meaning that they can shine by helping anyone else shine on any skill.</p><p></p><p>The fighter can't be good at everything - remember they only have a <em>single </em>extra feat. The bard can have advantages at all three pillars both with spells intended for them and with hybrids (is invisibility an exploration spell, a combat spell, a social spell, or all three)?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>That all depends on what you consider "able to meaningfully contribute". A fighter starts off I think as without exception the <em>worst </em>class at both the exploration and the social pillars - their primary stat (STR) is one of the two weakest (alongside INT), they have the joint fewest skills in the game, and things like their tendency to wear heavy armour makes them both slow and clanky. But yes they can reach <em>competent </em>even if they can never reach great. Your example of burning a feat for expertise in persuasion puts the fighter on a level with a sorcerer with the persuasion skill and nothing beyond that. By going flat out the fighter can reach second tier but not shining.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Neonchameleon, post: 8067917, member: 87792"] The familiar is a strong class feature - but it isn't a silent parrot drone. It's only +3 to stealth, meaning that it's going to get caught fairly regularly. Also after about second level enemies aren't stupid - if they see an owl doing weird things they know it's a familiar, although it makes a great eye in the sky. The Pact of the Chain Warlock's Imp is a whole different story - it's both intelligent and invisible. This comparison is ridiculous; the fighter doesn't have more feats than anyone else until sixth level. Meanwhile the Bard has two cantrips and four other spells (one each for healing, exploration, offence, and social) at [I]first [/I]level. By sixth level, the first time the fighter has a [I]single [/I]feat more than anyone else, the bard has three cantrips and nine spells of higher level. Second by sixth level the bard has expertise on two skills and has inspiration on a short rest - meaning that they can shine by helping anyone else shine on any skill. The fighter can't be good at everything - remember they only have a [I]single [/I]extra feat. The bard can have advantages at all three pillars both with spells intended for them and with hybrids (is invisibility an exploration spell, a combat spell, a social spell, or all three)? That all depends on what you consider "able to meaningfully contribute". A fighter starts off I think as without exception the [I]worst [/I]class at both the exploration and the social pillars - their primary stat (STR) is one of the two weakest (alongside INT), they have the joint fewest skills in the game, and things like their tendency to wear heavy armour makes them both slow and clanky. But yes they can reach [I]competent [/I]even if they can never reach great. Your example of burning a feat for expertise in persuasion puts the fighter on a level with a sorcerer with the persuasion skill and nothing beyond that. By going flat out the fighter can reach second tier but not shining. [/QUOTE]
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