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<blockquote data-quote="Shard O'Glase" data-source="post: 837770" data-attributes="member: 1134">I was going to go with psion or the bard in the end I went with fighter.Fighters are really only balanced in the dungeon.&nbsp; And yes I realize their name is fighter, before anyone chimes in with this comment.But it comes down to this all they can effectively do is fight.&nbsp; And that would be fine is they absolutley dominated combat, but they don't every other class other than the bard hangs in there and fights close to as well as they do.&nbsp; But the fighter doesn't come even remotely close to hanging in there outside of the fight compared to any class there except maybe the paladin, who I have too little experience with to know much about.Considering how mcuh worse the fighter is outside of a fight there should be 0 situations where the rogue outdamages the fighter, 0 situations where the amge outperforms the fighter in a fight etc.&nbsp; It doesn't work that way though, in many situaitons thanks to sneak attacks the rogue exceeds the fighter in damage, thanks to save or dies, creative spellcasting, area of effect spells etc the wiz/sor frequently out fight the fighter, the cleric with buffs, can out fight or = the fighter, and still buff the fighter, throw out area of effect spells, save or die spells, or use harm which will be overfixed in 3.5.&nbsp; Yet outside of a fight unless your climing or riding a horse the rogue, cleric, wiz/sor will spank the fighter making him look like an incompetent boob who not only can't help the party, but often bungles it so bad as too hinder the party, so just sit down shut up and don't even try fighters.&nbsp; Its not a fight so go play the playstation and wait for us to let you know when you can roll some dice.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Shard O'Glase, post: 837770, member: 1134"] I was going to go with psion or the bard in the end I went with fighter. Fighters are really only balanced in the dungeon. And yes I realize their name is fighter, before anyone chimes in with this comment. But it comes down to this all they can effectively do is fight. And that would be fine is they absolutley dominated combat, but they don't every other class other than the bard hangs in there and fights close to as well as they do. But the fighter doesn't come even remotely close to hanging in there outside of the fight compared to any class there except maybe the paladin, who I have too little experience with to know much about. Considering how mcuh worse the fighter is outside of a fight there should be 0 situations where the rogue outdamages the fighter, 0 situations where the amge outperforms the fighter in a fight etc. It doesn't work that way though, in many situaitons thanks to sneak attacks the rogue exceeds the fighter in damage, thanks to save or dies, creative spellcasting, area of effect spells etc the wiz/sor frequently out fight the fighter, the cleric with buffs, can out fight or = the fighter, and still buff the fighter, throw out area of effect spells, save or die spells, or use harm which will be overfixed in 3.5. Yet outside of a fight unless your climing or riding a horse the rogue, cleric, wiz/sor will spank the fighter making him look like an incompetent boob who not only can't help the party, but often bungles it so bad as too hinder the party, so just sit down shut up and don't even try fighters. Its not a fight so go play the playstation and wait for us to let you know when you can roll some dice. [/QUOTE]

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