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<blockquote data-quote="Lord Mhoram" data-source="post: 8559349" data-attributes="member: 4789">Mostly complexity in play.Two of my most played games are different examples of that.HERO - there is a huge amount of detail and complexity in creating a character, but at the table it's roll compare to number, roll damage. Skill are roll under. While there can be situational bonuses or penalties, or things you have to assign that could change that (levels) - combat is pretty simple. D&amp;D3.PF - Character creation can be simpler than HERO, but not necessarily - but in combat, you have so many modifiers when you attack, situational penalties or bonuses, feats that apply circumstantially, Crit number and modifiers, feats that trigger on certain attack rolls or crit, did the cleric cast bless?. The positioning is much more precise than HERO, to me it makes combat much more complex, and more difficult to do.To put it simple if the complexity is away from table I don't care how much it is, but keep it simple at the table.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Lord Mhoram, post: 8559349, member: 4789"] Mostly complexity in play. Two of my most played games are different examples of that. HERO - there is a huge amount of detail and complexity in creating a character, but at the table it's roll compare to number, roll damage. Skill are roll under. While there can be situational bonuses or penalties, or things you have to assign that could change that (levels) - combat is pretty simple. D&D3.PF - Character creation can be simpler than HERO, but not necessarily - but in combat, you have so many modifiers when you attack, situational penalties or bonuses, feats that apply circumstantially, Crit number and modifiers, feats that trigger on certain attack rolls or crit, did the cleric cast bless?. The positioning is much more precise than HERO, to me it makes combat much more complex, and more difficult to do. To put it simple if the complexity is away from table I don't care how much it is, but keep it simple at the table. [/QUOTE]

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