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Message: <blockquote data-quote="pawsplay" data-source="post: 4924212" data-attributes="member: 15538">You're going to lose that argument.4e spells:- Require less preparation.- Do not have names that are quite as colorful- Can not be usefully amassed or stolen in the form of spellbooks- Are less like magic bombs and more like magic gunsThe only way 4e magic is substantially similar to Vancian magic is that arcane magic involves manipulating arcane forces through some kind of enlightened state of consciousness, and wizards occasionally read books. Compare to 3e, where:- Spells are prepared, fire-and-forget- Spells are often weirdly named, and may refer to specific casters- Spells are valuable to wizards, who can add them to their spell books- Spells must be husbanded so that you do not run out.Thus, 4e is substantially and noticeably less Vancian, both in the conventional as well as the literal sense, than 3e and previous editions.</blockquote>