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<blockquote data-quote="Pickles JG" data-source="post: 6545679" data-attributes="member: 61501">I think the whole comparison is off as Warlocks are more like Archery Ranger's than anything else.They get Hex vs Hunter's Mark and do d10 damage not d8 but are -2 to hit. I dunno if the +2 to hit was taken into account in the average DPR.Rangers can take crossbow mastery if they need to want to get d10 damage.&nbsp; They also get to use the feat that may be broken, Sharpshooter instead of Spell Sniper. They get more damage abilities with the hunter path though the 11th level one is poor cf a straight extra attack.Their spells work differently but Warlocks are not really full casters.1) If they are Hexing then they get one other spell per short rest until 11th level. 2) 2 short rests per day in not the average it's more like the limit - how many times do you get more than 2 short rests a day? IME hardly ever but you get 1 or none frequently. So Warlocks get about 2 spells per day until 10th level (more if they can maintain Hex over a rest).3) Their slots above 5th level are more limited than pure Vancian - they get precisely one spell of each level ever &amp; cannot downgrade their higher level slots. So they had better pick generally useful ones &amp; even then they will not always get good value out of their slots. 4) 20th level comparisons are generally irrelevant to the game which is mostly played at levels 3 -12 or so.If you really think warlocks are too good when they add CHA to damage for each Eldritch Blast you probably also ought to nerf Rangers &amp; everyone else with multiple attacks for that matter.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Pickles JG, post: 6545679, member: 61501"] I think the whole comparison is off as Warlocks are more like Archery Ranger's than anything else. They get Hex vs Hunter's Mark and do d10 damage not d8 but are -2 to hit. I dunno if the +2 to hit was taken into account in the average DPR. Rangers can take crossbow mastery if they need to want to get d10 damage. They also get to use the feat that may be broken, Sharpshooter instead of Spell Sniper. They get more damage abilities with the hunter path though the 11th level one is poor cf a straight extra attack. Their spells work differently but Warlocks are not really full casters. 1) If they are Hexing then they get one other spell per short rest until 11th level. 2) 2 short rests per day in not the average it's more like the limit - how many times do you get more than 2 short rests a day? IME hardly ever but you get 1 or none frequently. So Warlocks get about 2 spells per day until 10th level (more if they can maintain Hex over a rest). 3) Their slots above 5th level are more limited than pure Vancian - they get precisely one spell of each level ever & cannot downgrade their higher level slots. So they had better pick generally useful ones & even then they will not always get good value out of their slots. 4) 20th level comparisons are generally irrelevant to the game which is mostly played at levels 3 -12 or so. If you really think warlocks are too good when they add CHA to damage for each Eldritch Blast you probably also ought to nerf Rangers & everyone else with multiple attacks for that matter. [/QUOTE]

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