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Message: <blockquote data-quote="DEFCON 1" data-source="post: 9570030" data-attributes="member: 7006">At the end of the day, it's that some monsters have had their Type changed by the game rules, not by anything within the game world.  It is purely a game rules issue.If a DM does not tell their players straight away that the game rules have changed with these new books and that certain monsters that had been affected by certain magic spells in the previous version are now no longer able to be affected by them... and instead they just are going to let their players waste a turn and spell slot at some point in the indeterminant future to "find out through trial and error" that the rule has changed...1) I think that DM is being a jerk for no good reason because they are withholding game rules from their players.2) Even if it does happen, it ultimately isn't going to be that big a deal because it'll only take that first time one of the players tries to cast Charm Person or Crown of Madness for the DM to yell out the "Gotcha!"... and now the players all now have learned the rule for next time.Obviously DMs can run their games however they want.  And if withholding rules changes from their players is how they enjoy running their games... so be it.  Let the players beware I guess.</blockquote>