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<blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 7323748" data-attributes="member: 42582">Well, shidaku seemed to get the point of my post - thanks shidaku!Can you elaborate on this?Here's a way that I'm thinking about it, but it may not be the same as you:If I have to model the RPG session to art, I'm thinking of it as somewhere between an AV installation and a happening. So the audience's role in observing/experiencing the artwork is also, in some fashion, constitutive of the art event itself. Linking that to worldbuiling, how do you see the audience/player role changing the artwork itself (ie the built world?)When I started reading your post, I thought you were using &quot;meaningful in a similar way to shidaku - but then you go on to talk about &quot;smart play&quot;, which seems to be what I called &quot;puzzle solving&quot; in the OP.In my posts upthread of this one, I've explained a bit my thoughts on the challenges of running a puzzle game outside the context of a dungeon. Any thoughts on that would be very welcome!(Btw way, I don't know of any RPG that works by way of the players (via their PCs) &quot;searching each room in turn until the DM's &quot;is the map hidden here?&quot; roll hits a high enough total&quot; - do you have an example in mind?)</blockquote>

[QUOTE="pemerton, post: 7323748, member: 42582"] Well, shidaku seemed to get the point of my post - thanks shidaku! Can you elaborate on this? Here's a way that I'm thinking about it, but it may not be the same as you: If I have to model the RPG session to art, I'm thinking of it as somewhere between an AV installation and a happening. So the audience's role in observing/experiencing the artwork is also, in some fashion, constitutive of the art event itself. Linking that to worldbuiling, how do you see the audience/player role changing the artwork itself (ie the built world?) When I started reading your post, I thought you were using "meaningful in a similar way to shidaku - but then you go on to talk about "smart play", which seems to be what I called "puzzle solving" in the OP. In my posts upthread of this one, I've explained a bit my thoughts on the challenges of running a puzzle game outside the context of a dungeon. Any thoughts on that would be very welcome! (Btw way, I don't know of any RPG that works by way of the players (via their PCs) "searching each room in turn until the DM's "is the map hidden here?" roll hits a high enough total" - do you have an example in mind?) [/QUOTE]

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