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<blockquote data-quote="Emerikol" data-source="post: 7334513" data-attributes="member: 6698278">That may be the crux of the matter.&nbsp; People like myself don't want to create things outside our characters.&nbsp; At least not when we are playing this particular style of play.&nbsp; When I play, I want to &quot;explore&quot; the world and I want my DM to know it pretty well so that he isn't making it up as he goes which I can detect almost immediately.&nbsp; And yes of course if you had a sufficiently advanced AI as DM this could be hidden from me.&nbsp; So far no human has pulled it off.So exploration is a big deal.&nbsp; And to me exploration to discovering something not creating it.&nbsp; Again that is how I feel.&nbsp; If I played in your style of game I'd obviously feel very creative but I'd feel like the world wasn't very solid under my feet.&nbsp; I want that feeling and I tend to avoid DMs that won't give it to me.&nbsp; Now I admit I DM more than I play though of late I've done neither due to being in a new town with a very busy job.&nbsp; I think if we were all traveling in a car somewhere and just wanted to play a thought experiment style of game where we created the fiction as we go I might do it since playing my style would be very hard.&nbsp; I'm not saying it couldn't be at least more fun than counting busted headlights on volkswagon beetles.&nbsp; (you also avoid getting slugged in some variations).&nbsp; But I am sure I wouldn't find it as satisfying as playing in my style around a table.&nbsp; Here is an example of a really great product and why I thought it was great.&nbsp; Ptolus.&nbsp; A detailed city with a ton of hooks for adventures.&nbsp; Players are free to go anywhere they want.&nbsp; The city is the sandbox.&nbsp; That doesn't mean there aren't adventures with rooms but it's take it up as you wish.&nbsp; And of course mess with the wrong people and you might have trouble on your hands.&nbsp; All detailed out.&nbsp; As DM, I'd still add more but I like it.&nbsp; The original book has risen steadily in value but I haven't considered selling it.Constructively, where do you see this thread going?&nbsp; Is it style evangelism by you?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Emerikol, post: 7334513, member: 6698278"] That may be the crux of the matter. People like myself don't want to create things outside our characters. At least not when we are playing this particular style of play. When I play, I want to "explore" the world and I want my DM to know it pretty well so that he isn't making it up as he goes which I can detect almost immediately. And yes of course if you had a sufficiently advanced AI as DM this could be hidden from me. So far no human has pulled it off. So exploration is a big deal. And to me exploration to discovering something not creating it. Again that is how I feel. If I played in your style of game I'd obviously feel very creative but I'd feel like the world wasn't very solid under my feet. I want that feeling and I tend to avoid DMs that won't give it to me. Now I admit I DM more than I play though of late I've done neither due to being in a new town with a very busy job. I think if we were all traveling in a car somewhere and just wanted to play a thought experiment style of game where we created the fiction as we go I might do it since playing my style would be very hard. I'm not saying it couldn't be at least more fun than counting busted headlights on volkswagon beetles. (you also avoid getting slugged in some variations). But I am sure I wouldn't find it as satisfying as playing in my style around a table. Here is an example of a really great product and why I thought it was great. Ptolus. A detailed city with a ton of hooks for adventures. Players are free to go anywhere they want. The city is the sandbox. That doesn't mean there aren't adventures with rooms but it's take it up as you wish. And of course mess with the wrong people and you might have trouble on your hands. All detailed out. As DM, I'd still add more but I like it. The original book has risen steadily in value but I haven't considered selling it. Constructively, where do you see this thread going? Is it style evangelism by you? [/QUOTE]

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