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<blockquote data-quote="Sebastrd" data-source="post: 7335503" data-attributes="member: 21473">Let me break it down for you.The entirety of an RPG revolves around generating a shared fiction. That fiction is established in three ways:<ol>
<li data-xf-list-type="ol">A player declares an action and/or rolls some dice, and the GM tells them some stuff they made up two days ago.</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ol">A player declares an action and/or rolls some dice, and the GM tells them some stuff they made up on the spot.</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ol">A player declares an action and/or rolls some dice, and the player tells the GM some stuff the player made up on the spot.</li>
</ol>Personally, I don't see any functional difference between the three, while your contention seems to be that options 2 and 3 are acceptable, but option 1 is not. I wouldn't want to play in any game wherein only one of the above options was utilized - each of the three are best in different situations. Folks are interpreting your opinions as &quot;pejorative&quot;, because you say things like &quot;the GM reading stuff from his/her notes is a significant goal of play&quot;. As if we all sat down around the table for a GM to read us a story. You also continually use examples of bad GMing to make your point that option 1 is a bad thing. A good GM will not send his players on a wild goose chase through the mansion for a map macguffin. That would be akin to describing your style of play as the GM forces the players to go through every room of the mansion rolling perception checks until they hit a target DC to find a map no matter how long that takes or how little sense it makes that they finally found the map in the privy.The games I run utilize all three of the above options to establish the shared fiction. Even the fiction that I've &quot;pre-authored&quot; can be impacted (or changed entirely if the situation calls for it) at any time by the players' actions - they are the heroes after all. &quot;My&quot; game world is simply the canvas on which they create our art. Constraint breeds creativity, and my &quot;pre-authored&quot; and on-the-spot decisions can serve as constraint for the players.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Sebastrd, post: 7335503, member: 21473"] Let me break it down for you. The entirety of an RPG revolves around generating a shared fiction. That fiction is established in three ways: [LIST=1] [*]A player declares an action and/or rolls some dice, and the GM tells them some stuff they made up two days ago. [*]A player declares an action and/or rolls some dice, and the GM tells them some stuff they made up on the spot. [*]A player declares an action and/or rolls some dice, and the player tells the GM some stuff the player made up on the spot. [/LIST] Personally, I don't see any functional difference between the three, while your contention seems to be that options 2 and 3 are acceptable, but option 1 is not. I wouldn't want to play in any game wherein only one of the above options was utilized - each of the three are best in different situations. Folks are interpreting your opinions as "pejorative", because you say things like "the GM reading stuff from his/her notes is a significant goal of play". As if we all sat down around the table for a GM to read us a story. You also continually use examples of bad GMing to make your point that option 1 is a bad thing. A good GM will not send his players on a wild goose chase through the mansion for a map macguffin. That would be akin to describing [I]your[/I] style of play as the GM forces the players to go through every room of the mansion rolling perception checks until they hit a target DC to find a map no matter how long that takes or how little sense it makes that they finally found the map in the privy. The games I run utilize all three of the above options to establish the shared fiction. Even the fiction that I've "pre-authored" can be impacted (or changed entirely if the situation calls for it) at any time by the players' actions - they are the heroes after all. "My" game world is simply the canvas on which they create our art. Constraint breeds creativity, and my "pre-authored" [I]and[/I] on-the-spot decisions [I]can[/I] serve as constraint for the players. [/QUOTE]

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