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Message: <blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 7336556" data-attributes="member: 82106">I think I may have partly confused things somewhat, as [MENTION=42582]pemerton[/MENTION] and I probably use somewhat different techniques. Like [MENTION=6696971]Manbearcat[/MENTION] I don't really care too much about 'Czege Principle', which is basically the idea that the players will write their characters an easy meal ticket. Pemerton does!In the technique he uses, I don't believe there's any danger of the players 'narrating their way out of trouble', because all the trouble originates from the GM. It might go something like:1. Player - "Yeah, I'd really like to find that lost book that my Uncle wrote, it proves that our family was innocent of treason back in '96"2. DM - The guy says the book is beyond the next room. There's a whole bunch of orcs down at that end of the room, they don't look like they want to let you through3. Player - I charge forward, sword drawn with a mighty bellow! 4. DM - OK, roll to hit...The player has established a fictional goal, something he wants. The GM has given him a way to achieve it, and placed an obstacle in his path. The player moves the character into the proper narrative position to attempt to achieve his goal. Checks ensue which will determine success or failure. 5. DM - The big orc bashes you on the head (rolls to hit). You go down. You can feel the orcs grasping your legs and starting to drag you away as you black out.Now clearly the character has failed, and as a consequence his narrative positioning is no longer such that he's going to easily achieve his goal. At least not through combat.6. DM - You wake up some time later as something wet is splashed in your face. A horrific visage fills your field of view, a terribly scarred orc face. A second later a hand follows, your jaw is forced open and some sort of strong drink is forced down. "Har! Awaken! You managed to kill 5 of my elite warriors, human! You're too good for the slave pens. Come and drink with me when you feel better!" Maybe another chance is arising, but it sounds like it will require a strong constitution this time! I mean, this is a pretty simplistic sort of narrative, obviously, but assuming the player has established his character as a hard-drinking bruiser, then I think its a pretty reasonable tack for the GM to take. The player can maybe try to risk escaping, or drinking the Orc King under the table, or maybe something else. Now in MY system, the player might be able to establish some things on the fly, like his drinking credentials, or the existence of an ally to assist in an escape attempt, or various things like that. I'm not sure where [MENTION=42582]pemerton[/MENTION] draws the line there, or how that might differ from what [MENTION=6696971]Manbearcat[/MENTION] might do in his game. In other words, I don't want to put false impressions about what other GMs do in your head based on what I do, the techniques and philosophies are, as Manbearcat alluded above, quite diverse.</blockquote>

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