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<blockquote data-quote="Lanefan" data-source="post: 7338144" data-attributes="member: 29398">I'd rather be doing the first, but I accept as a part of the game that there's going to be times when I'm doing the second.And, if the party's just walking around the cleared dungeon waiting to roll high enough to find the secret door then we're doing it wrong.&nbsp; We should instead:- map the place out and look for any &quot;missing&quot; areas or out-of-place dead ends, then focus our search there (ideally we did the mapping already, during our initial exploration of the place)- bring to bear any and all divination and detection spells and-or abilities we have access to- think back on any odd behavior by the dungeon occupants that maybe we ignored at the time - could they have actually been defending a secret door that we never bothered to look for?- trash the place, if we haven't already - maybe the door we're looking for is simply concealed behind a tapestry or buried under the manticore's bedding strawAnd if all else fails, abandon the mission and go find another one. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Lanefan</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Lanefan, post: 7338144, member: 29398"] I'd rather be doing the first, but I accept as a part of the game that there's going to be times when I'm doing the second. And, if the party's just walking around the cleared dungeon waiting to roll high enough to find the secret door then we're doing it wrong. We should instead: - map the place out and look for any "missing" areas or out-of-place dead ends, then focus our search there (ideally we did the mapping already, during our initial exploration of the place) - bring to bear any and all divination and detection spells and-or abilities we have access to - think back on any odd behavior by the dungeon occupants that maybe we ignored at the time - could they have actually been defending a secret door that we never bothered to look for? - trash the place, if we haven't already - maybe the door we're looking for is simply concealed behind a tapestry or buried under the manticore's bedding straw And if all else fails, abandon the mission and go find another one. :) Lanefan [/QUOTE]

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