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<blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 7341030" data-attributes="member: 42582">Yes. I've been posting about the contrast between preparation and establishing setting for much of the thread.To give more examples: the murderous mage could have been introduced as a potential ally of the PCs. Or: when the player failed the Circles check to make contact with Jabal, instead of taking the approach that I did (Jabal sends Athog to tell the PCs to leave town) I could have had the murderous mage approach the PC (&quot;Jabal's after me - I hear you can help me get away from him!&quot;). Another way to come at the distinction is this: who sold the angel feather to the peddler? In the session I ran, it turned out that the murderous mage did so. But what if the players had decided to investigate this directly - so that it becomes like the map? There is no established setting element that it was the murderous mage who did so, which would then become part of the (unrevealed) ficitonal positioning that would inform adjudication of actions delcared in that investigation attempt.Yes.But identifying a trope, or an idea, as being potentially interesting is different from establishing the setting in advance of play.Agreed. Luke Crane talks about some aspects of this in the Adventure Burner for BW.I think separating your second - introducing material - and fourth - pacing - could be tricky. But that's conjecture, not based on actual experience.&nbsp;[MENTION=99817]chaochou[/MENTION] has much better knowledge than me of systems and approaches that depart from the &quot;mainstream&quot; GM/player division of roles.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="pemerton, post: 7341030, member: 42582"] Yes. I've been posting about the contrast between preparation and establishing setting for much of the thread. To give more examples: the murderous mage could have been introduced as a potential ally of the PCs. Or: when the player failed the Circles check to make contact with Jabal, instead of taking the approach that I did (Jabal sends Athog to tell the PCs to leave town) I could have had the murderous mage approach the PC ("Jabal's after me - I hear you can help me get away from him!"). Another way to come at the distinction is this: [I]who sold the angel feather to the peddler[/I]? In the session I ran, it turned out that the murderous mage did so. But what if the players had decided to investigate this directly - so that it becomes like the map? There is no established setting element that it was the murderous mage who did so, which would then become part of the (unrevealed) ficitonal positioning that would inform adjudication of actions delcared in that investigation attempt. Yes. But identifying a trope, or an idea, as being potentially interesting is different from establishing the setting in advance of play. Agreed. Luke Crane talks about some aspects of this in the Adventure Burner for BW. I think separating your second - introducing material - and fourth - pacing - could be tricky. But that's conjecture, not based on actual experience. [MENTION=99817]chaochou[/MENTION] has much better knowledge than me of systems and approaches that depart from the "mainstream" GM/player division of roles. [/QUOTE]

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