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Message: <blockquote data-quote="prosfilaes" data-source="post: 7343419" data-attributes="member: 40166">I run and play Pathfinder because that's what I have and what people are interested in running and playing. That doesn't mean it's exactly what I'm looking for, especially not stock. Maybe some of the people like the epic science fiction fantasy, but would be happy to turn the grim-dark down, maybe way down.I find trying to count games irrelevant here. Yes, the market has tolerance for a fairly limited set of world-less games; Fate, GURPS, Hero; at a different level, D&D, Dungeon World, Stars Without Number. But the more popular of those games have dozens of settings you can play in, and a lot of the rulebooks with settings are functionally a worldbook with some rules stuck in.I have a lot of small RPGs I can't hope to bring to the table because I can't sell reading the rules as much as the setting material, and currently run Pathfinder in the (frustratingly underdescribed) Zeitgeist setting, which my players weren't the least familiar with.To start that with "reasonably speaking" is to assume what you're trying to argue. I don't want to open a preformed can of character and dump it into the game world; I want the game world to help define my character, to make him or her feel like a real character in a real world. "Poor farmer kid who dreams of being a soldier" will fit 90% of settings, but I don't want a backstory that fits 90% of settings, that I could have got out of a list of generic backstories on some website.I think you're conflating different things here. There are races that are hard to mesh with D&D rules that aren't hard to play, and there are human cultures that are completely alien to most of our mind sets, but system-wise, they're just humans.So it's hard to worldbuild a world for a group. That doesn't make it silly. I also wonder if it's a literal novel, or merely a large collection of reading material, and if the later, how large? I have no idea from this statement how much material you need, and how much is too much.</blockquote>

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