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Message: <blockquote data-quote="chaochou" data-source="post: 7344981" data-attributes="member: 99817">Playing let's pretend doesn't bring things into existence.Adding to the fiction - one of your two options with respect the fiction.Which doesn't add to the fiction... the other of your two options with respect the fiction.I don't wrongly deny it. I understand that you are playing 'let's pretend'. I understand that all the things you pretend in your rpg are neither true nor real. When you say 'I'm Falstaff the fighter' it's a lie - you are not. You are simply inviting us to pretend that it's true for the sake of entertainment.But you, and others, are attempting to tell me that pretending you are Falstaff the Fighter means Falstaff the Fighter now 'exists'. You claim that lying about it makes your lie 'true within itself'. "The lie is true with respect to itself" is the construction you and Ovinomancer and other clowns are attempting to deceive with.This need to convince yourself that the things you imagine are now actually real doesn't make it so. You're playing a glorified game of let's pretend. And your argument is also a pretence.No. When people sit and play 'let's pretend'  - that is, they imagine that not true things are true to entertain themselves - the first step to analysis is to accept that the game is a pretence. Stopping playing and insisting that the things imagined now have their own lives 'within the pretence' is laughable.And sorry tell you this, since it sounds like no-one has - but 'immersion' is self-deception. Just with a prettier name. It means playing 'let's pretend' while lying to yourself about what you're doing.Again, that's fine. But to stop playing and then lie to me about your game of let's pretend doesn't wash. Nothing you pretended actually exists. They were just lies you chose to believe for a while.</blockquote>

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