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<blockquote data-quote="Ovinomancer" data-source="post: 7350533" data-attributes="member: 16814">What causes you to reach for the dice to roll fall damage?&nbsp; I'll wait.Cool.&nbsp; What was the first cause?&nbsp; Oh, sorry, did I step across the philosopher line?Again, I ask, what causes you to reach for the dice to roll fall damage?If you're argument is &quot;the tale of the Red Wedding cannot break a window!&quot; then, sure, we agree.&nbsp; But that's an extremely narrow view of causation.&nbsp; Especially if, while reading about the Red Wedding, I become upset by those fictional events and throw the book across the room and into the window, which breaks (actually, it was my wife that did this, and it wasn't a window, it was a vase).&nbsp; Did the fiction have any part of that causal chain?&nbsp; What if I read a lie that says that windows are actually aliens spying on us and I believe it and begin to break all the windows I see?&nbsp; The lie is fiction.Clearly, there's a bit more to causation, even in the real world, than 'the book broke the window'.&nbsp; The book can't break the window by itself, either.Again, that an example exists where you do not do a thing doesn't mean that, at all other times, you also do not do that thing.&nbsp; This is a flawed argument -- going from the specific to the general, from an example to assuming it's all just like the examples.&nbsp; Examples illuminate general concepts, they do not define them (generally).&nbsp; To ask again:&nbsp; what causes you to reach for the dice to roll fall damage?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ovinomancer, post: 7350533, member: 16814"] What causes you to reach for the dice to roll fall damage? I'll wait. Cool. What was the first cause? Oh, sorry, did I step across the philosopher line? Again, I ask, what causes you to reach for the dice to roll fall damage? If you're argument is "the tale of the Red Wedding cannot break a window!" then, sure, we agree. But that's an extremely narrow view of causation. Especially if, while reading about the Red Wedding, I become upset by those fictional events and throw the book across the room and into the window, which breaks (actually, it was my wife that did this, and it wasn't a window, it was a vase). Did the fiction have any part of that causal chain? What if I read a lie that says that windows are actually aliens spying on us and I believe it and begin to break all the windows I see? The lie is fiction. Clearly, there's a bit more to causation, even in the real world, than 'the book broke the window'. The book can't break the window by itself, either. Again, that an example exists where you do not do a thing doesn't mean that, at all other times, you also do not do that thing. This is a flawed argument -- going from the specific to the general, from an example to assuming it's all just like the examples. Examples illuminate general concepts, they do not define them (generally). To ask again: what causes you to reach for the dice to roll fall damage? [/QUOTE]

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