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<blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 7350929" data-attributes="member: 82106">Now, maybe one reason I don't end up at the same place you do is a philosophical one. Having been exposed to Buddhist theories of causality and come to understand this very 'nonpersonal' conception of how the universe works, I just don't see any similarity between a fictional game world and the real one.Just to give you an idea of how that works. Strip away all the conceptual framework, all the categories of things, all the sense perceptions, everything. Om gate gate, paragate &quot;It is empty, empty, TOTALLY empty.&quot; This means that all semantics, all ontology, all what we think is 'reality' is nothing. What is real? As a physical naturalist I see nothing but a single universal quantum field, or you could say &quot;nothing but quarks, gluons, and leptons.&quot; All the 'things' we conceive of existing, cats, dogs, people, Earth, stars, galaxies, RPG books, all of it is just convenient labels we've created. It has no fundamental objective existence. Parasamgate, bodhi soha &quot;beyond total emptiness, wisdom lies.&quot; That is the ultimate truth IS this non-existence of the world of 'concept things'. At the core of things are simply the fundamentals, and the interactions between them are of infinite complexity. Nothing can be said to be truly caused except by the sum total of everything else. Its meaningless to say &quot;the cat caused the big glass fish to fall off the end table and smash on the floor.&quot; What 'caused the cat?' or the fish? or the floor? They're all just more quarks, gluons, and leptons. To try to tease out some specific strand of narrative from this is fruitless. Even REALITY is a story we tell ourselves, RPG fictional reality? Please, just make up what pleases you, that's what IS happening, we're just pleasing ourselves. Its always best to keep the true nature of things in mind. You can get lost in that vision too, its not the only final word &quot;all wisdom is just something we made up to tell ourselves&quot; is also equally true. However it does help to clarify your analysis of things at times and bring a new focus.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="AbdulAlhazred, post: 7350929, member: 82106"] Now, maybe one reason I don't end up at the same place you do is a philosophical one. Having been exposed to Buddhist theories of causality and come to understand this very 'nonpersonal' conception of how the universe works, I just don't see any similarity between a fictional game world and the real one. Just to give you an idea of how that works. Strip away all the conceptual framework, all the categories of things, all the sense perceptions, everything. Om gate gate, paragate "It is empty, empty, TOTALLY empty." This means that all semantics, all ontology, all what we think is 'reality' is nothing. What is real? As a physical naturalist I see nothing but a single universal quantum field, or you could say "nothing but quarks, gluons, and leptons." All the 'things' we conceive of existing, cats, dogs, people, Earth, stars, galaxies, RPG books, all of it is just convenient labels we've created. It has no fundamental objective existence. Parasamgate, bodhi soha "beyond total emptiness, wisdom lies." That is the ultimate truth IS this non-existence of the world of 'concept things'. At the core of things are simply the fundamentals, and the interactions between them are of infinite complexity. Nothing can be said to be truly caused except by the sum total of everything else. Its meaningless to say "the cat caused the big glass fish to fall off the end table and smash on the floor." What 'caused the cat?' or the fish? or the floor? They're all just more quarks, gluons, and leptons. To try to tease out some specific strand of narrative from this is fruitless. Even REALITY is a story we tell ourselves, RPG fictional reality? Please, just make up what pleases you, that's what IS happening, we're just pleasing ourselves. Its always best to keep the true nature of things in mind. You can get lost in that vision too, its not the only final word "all wisdom is just something we made up to tell ourselves" is also equally true. However it does help to clarify your analysis of things at times and bring a new focus. [/QUOTE]

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