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<blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 7351009" data-attributes="member: 42582">Yes, the effect can happen without the fiction - because the fiction doesn't exist yet the effect happens!(Demonstration: I am now going to make you think about Barnaby Joyce as Deputy Prime Minister of Australia. I can do that even though Barnaby may, for all I know, have resigned by now - I haven't followed the news since this morning, when he was still hanging on. The effect my words have on you can occur whether or not Barnaby Joyce is Deputy PM - this is why you can't tell whether or not someone is lying, or whether or not a statement is false, just be identifying the effect that it has on you. Bertrand Russell made this point in a series of essays published around 1910-12.)The effect can't happen without thinking about the fiction. But that's a real event, not an imaginary one. And in the context of a RPG, it's a highly social event with a pretty complex structure..</blockquote>

[QUOTE="pemerton, post: 7351009, member: 42582"] Yes, the effect can happen without the fiction - because the fiction doesn't exist yet the effect happens! (Demonstration: I am now going to make you think about Barnaby Joyce as Deputy Prime Minister of Australia. I can do that even though Barnaby may, for all I know, have resigned by now - I haven't followed the news since this morning, when he was still hanging on. The effect my words have on you can occur [I]whether or not Barnaby Joyce is Deputy PM[/I] - this is why you can't tell whether or not someone is lying, or whether or not a statement is false, just be identifying the effect that it has on you. Bertrand Russell made this point in a series of essays published around 1910-12.) The effect can't happen without [I]thinking about the fiction[/I]. But that's a real event, not an imaginary one. And in the context of a RPG, it's a highly social event with a pretty complex structure.. [/QUOTE]

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