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<blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 7357600" data-attributes="member: 82106">Now see, THIS is a habit I find infinitely irritating! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> (and I will just say you personally are a very mild example and I don't mean to get all in your face about it, just pointing it out). First of all, though we all acknowledge that most people have played and often do play D&amp;D, the idea that all other RP experience is basically irrelevant to any discussion of RPGs and that the total sum of it all amounts to nothing but some tiny radical fringe of people who should just go away and stop bugging anyone, is not supported by any credible facts. The truth is that MOST other systems in development and play now, MANY of which have a great deal of support in places like Kickstarter and whatnot, are narrativist in many of their elements. I don't agree that this is a fringe group and I don't think trying to keep stating it as a 'fact' furthers discussion. I mean, by all means, start a thread and lets examine the actual state of the RPG industry in that light and try to establish some facts, but to use this non-factual fact as a club in other discussions with which to beat people, I'm not a fan of that! Secondly, so what? I mean, really, what does a desire to dismiss all other points of view simply because they are less popular than yours say? I don't think you really mean to be that sort of people! Truthfully, I'm not outraged or offended by this kind of thing, I get it, but you probably are best-served by other forms of rhetoric.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="AbdulAlhazred, post: 7357600, member: 82106"] Now see, THIS is a habit I find infinitely irritating! ;) (and I will just say you personally are a very mild example and I don't mean to get all in your face about it, just pointing it out). First of all, though we all acknowledge that most people have played and often do play D&D, the idea that all other RP experience is basically irrelevant to any discussion of RPGs and that the total sum of it all amounts to nothing but some tiny radical fringe of people who should just go away and stop bugging anyone, is not supported by any credible facts. The truth is that MOST other systems in development and play now, MANY of which have a great deal of support in places like Kickstarter and whatnot, are narrativist in many of their elements. I don't agree that this is a fringe group and I don't think trying to keep stating it as a 'fact' furthers discussion. I mean, by all means, start a thread and lets examine the actual state of the RPG industry in that light and try to establish some facts, but to use this non-factual fact as a club in other discussions with which to beat people, I'm not a fan of that! Secondly, so what? I mean, really, what does a desire to dismiss all other points of view simply because they are less popular than yours say? I don't think you really mean to be that sort of people! Truthfully, I'm not outraged or offended by this kind of thing, I get it, but you probably are best-served by other forms of rhetoric. [/QUOTE]

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