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<blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 7357648" data-attributes="member: 82106">It seemed clear to me <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />Sure, its not coherent with the spherical cow, the only point here was the difference between the two in respect of what the fiction addresses. Its a very bare bones comparison, and that was the point. Sure sure, its a simplistic example. Remember, the 'Czege Principle' is not some sort of absolute thing. It is less a factor to the degree that the result of the player's declaration produces an indirect or incremental move in the direction of meeting their objective. In other words, it would be poor Story Now to produce the secret door to the Yuan Ti temple and entirely address the character's desire. It would be less poor to have it lead to a chamber which contained a map that guided the party to another location. That location in turn would most likely be a step in the direction of the goal, etc. I don't think this is really very relevant to the point I was making, which was about who was in charge of the direction and content of the fiction. In the endless maze it is clearly the GM, entirely. When the player can declare an action to reveal an element of the scene that addresses his agenda, then he's achieved some control over the narrative.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="AbdulAlhazred, post: 7357648, member: 82106"] It seemed clear to me ;) Sure, its not coherent with the spherical cow, the only point here was the difference between the two in respect of what the fiction addresses. Its a very bare bones comparison, and that was the point. Sure sure, its a simplistic example. Remember, the 'Czege Principle' is not some sort of absolute thing. It is less a factor to the degree that the result of the player's declaration produces an indirect or incremental move in the direction of meeting their objective. In other words, it would be poor Story Now to produce the secret door to the Yuan Ti temple and entirely address the character's desire. It would be less poor to have it lead to a chamber which contained a map that guided the party to another location. That location in turn would most likely be a step in the direction of the goal, etc. I don't think this is really very relevant to the point I was making, which was about who was in charge of the direction and content of the fiction. In the endless maze it is clearly the GM, entirely. When the player can declare an action to reveal an element of the scene that addresses his agenda, then he's achieved some control over the narrative. [/QUOTE]

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