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<blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 7359576" data-attributes="member: 82106">Well, I think what they're objecting to, and I'm unable to say if it relates to whatever Mr Czege wrote about since I haven't read it, is that the player could posit a goal &quot;find the Yuan Ti&quot; and a solution to achieving that goal &quot;a secret door to the Yuan Ti temple&quot;. In the simplest form its equivalent to &quot;I want gold, I search for a chest full of gold!&quot; Now, in some games that might be a feasible move I guess, but it seems poor RPG play, at best.I freely admit, my example wouldn't be very good clever play. The character's motivation is shallow, the player's goal could be interesting, but his attempt to shape the narrative to instantly fulfill it isn't. Obviously a GM in a realistic game would, at best, make the secret passage lead to somewhere that might be the first step on a long road to finding the Yuan Ti. HOWEVER, the point still stands, Yuan Ti would now have entered the game as a thing to achieve.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="AbdulAlhazred, post: 7359576, member: 82106"] Well, I think what they're objecting to, and I'm unable to say if it relates to whatever Mr Czege wrote about since I haven't read it, is that the player could posit a goal "find the Yuan Ti" and a solution to achieving that goal "a secret door to the Yuan Ti temple". In the simplest form its equivalent to "I want gold, I search for a chest full of gold!" Now, in some games that might be a feasible move I guess, but it seems poor RPG play, at best. I freely admit, my example wouldn't be very good clever play. The character's motivation is shallow, the player's goal could be interesting, but his attempt to shape the narrative to instantly fulfill it isn't. Obviously a GM in a realistic game would, at best, make the secret passage lead to somewhere that might be the first step on a long road to finding the Yuan Ti. HOWEVER, the point still stands, Yuan Ti would now have entered the game as a thing to achieve. [/QUOTE]

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