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<blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 7360670" data-attributes="member: 42582">Your asterisked claim is not true.Actual play example: it is well-established in my main 4e game that at least one fragment of the Rod of Seven Parts is embedded in the body of Miska the Wolf Spider. Hence the Rod can't be completed until Miska is defeated.Exactly the same thing could be true in relation to the map.And there are multiple ways that this could come about: it could be an element of framing backstory established by the GM; it could be a consequence of a check - eg a player declares a Lore-type check to learn more about the map, say with the goal of generating an augment of some sort to subsequent attempts to find the map, and the check fails and hence what the PC learns is something that makes it harder to get the map (such as that it is guarded by something-or-other).As far as &quot;too cheaply&quot; is concerned, my response is the same as to [MENTION=23751]Maxperson[/MENTION] upthread: the effect of the GM interpolating &quot;obstacles&quot; that must be overcome or bypassed is to make the focus of play something the GM authored rather than something the player has made salient. I don't see how that makes the acquisition any less cheap: the player is not actually doing anything harder, but rather is just working his/her way through the GM's material before getting to the stuff that s/he has flagged as important.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="pemerton, post: 7360670, member: 42582"] Your asterisked claim is not true. Actual play example: it is well-established in my main 4e game that at least one fragment of the Rod of Seven Parts is embedded in the body of Miska the Wolf Spider. Hence the Rod can't be completed until Miska is defeated. Exactly the same thing could be true in relation to the map. And there are multiple ways that this could come about: it could be an element of framing backstory established by the GM; it could be a consequence of a check - eg a player declares a Lore-type check to learn more about the map, say with the goal of generating an augment of some sort to subsequent attempts to find the map, and the check fails and hence what the PC learns is something that makes it harder to get the map (such as that it is guarded by something-or-other). As far as "too cheaply" is concerned, my response is the same as to [MENTION=23751]Maxperson[/MENTION] upthread: the effect of the GM interpolating "obstacles" that must be overcome or bypassed is to make the focus of play something [I]the GM authored[/I] rather than something [I]the player has made salient[/I]. I don't see how that makes the acquisition any less cheap: the player is not actually doing anything harder, but rather is just working his/her way through the GM's material before getting to the stuff that s/he has flagged as important. [/QUOTE]

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