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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Maxperson" data-source="post: 7365482" data-attributes="member: 23751">There's still no effective difference in how it plays out.  You can prefer the reasons behind how you get to the end point, but the end point is the same and both styles author them under very similar circumstances, which I spelled out above and will do so again below."There's no effective difference between the DM obstacle in my style, and you creating the curse obstacle in your via the failed roll. In both instances the players have to overcome an obstacle that the DM put in the way. In both instances the players desires drove that obstacle into being through their desires. In both instances the story moves forward ONLY because of the players, as the DM is just reacting to what the players do."I also don't know how you can say my style verges on railroading when it plays out very similarly to the way yours does.  My style doesn't even remotely come close to forcing players down one path, so again you betray your lack of understanding about how my style works.  You'd think that by now you'd stop making these absurd statements about a style you don't understand.  I get that you THINK you understand it, but given how many times pretty much everyone who plays my style lets you know how far off base you are with your comments, you probably should step back and re-assess how much you truly understand.That's simply not true.  While the rules might allow me to tell the player that there are no wizards in this large city, or no sages, or..., the social contract does not.  A large city will have those things in it, so when the player tells me that he is seeking them out, I have no real choice but to react in a way that allows the player a chance of success.  And again, there is no effective difference between you establishing consequence or a challenge in response to a player declaration, and me doing the same thing.  The only difference is one of motivations "what fiction is the focus of play? where did it come from? why do we care about it?", and motivations don't create an effective difference here.Your initial post said nothing about further work to make it usable.  It made it seem like the angle feather magic item would be useful in freeing his brother.  If there's more to do, then it sounds a lot more like the way I do things.  It's just the motivational stuff that is sometimes different.You think hobbies, game and pastimes don't involve work?  Work, effort, not wanting things to be easy, call it whatever you want, but a lot of people want it in their hobbies, games and pastimes.</blockquote>

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