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<blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 7378896" data-attributes="member: 82106">Right! And now you understand and you have made the same point I have been making all along! There was no other point beyond this that was made. However it SEEMED that [MENTION=5094]ilbrant[/MENTION]aloth's statement was something like &quot;In Chutes and Ladders you only get to follow the dice, therefor there's no additional agency in Chess because its a game just like Chutes and Ladders is a game.&quot; This is obviously flawed logic and my restating it in terms of two totally different games makes that apparent. When he stated it in terms of two very similar games, it was, apparently, not so obvious to everyone! I can of course compare the agency of Chutes and Ladders with Chess, and we seem to both be able to do that and arrive at the same agreed conclusion! I hope that everyone who reads this post will now be clear on how this kind of comparison works <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />Thanks! I hope I didn't seem unduly frustrated before, lol.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="AbdulAlhazred, post: 7378896, member: 82106"] Right! And now you understand and you have made the same point I have been making all along! There was no other point beyond this that was made. However it SEEMED that [MENTION=5094]ilbrant[/MENTION]aloth's statement was something like "In Chutes and Ladders you only get to follow the dice, therefor there's no additional agency in Chess because its a game just like Chutes and Ladders is a game." This is obviously flawed logic and my restating it in terms of two totally different games makes that apparent. When he stated it in terms of two very similar games, it was, apparently, not so obvious to everyone! I can of course compare the agency of Chutes and Ladders with Chess, and we seem to both be able to do that and arrive at the same agreed conclusion! I hope that everyone who reads this post will now be clear on how this kind of comparison works ;) Thanks! I hope I didn't seem unduly frustrated before, lol. [/QUOTE]

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