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<blockquote data-quote="Maxperson" data-source="post: 7380397" data-attributes="member: 23751">Not really.&nbsp; As you mentioned up thread, things the DM introduces become important to the players and vice versa.&nbsp; That's how the game is played.&nbsp; It's a mutual thing.I guess I just didn't realize how passive your players are, and it floors me that not one of them would even try to talk to her.&nbsp; I would, as would all of my players.&nbsp; You still interrupted the spell that doesn't get interrupted, though, which prevented final resolution until AFTER you were done narrating what you did.&nbsp; There's no way around that.&nbsp; What the players tried to do was not final until after your narration.If you want to call it a metaphor, go for it.&nbsp; It's simply not relevant to anything in this discussion whether it is or is not a metaphor.&nbsp; What it does do, is give real options.&nbsp; Even if the intersection is imaginary, the options the players take exist in the real world.&nbsp; They make the decision on which way to go here, and tell me what it is here.As for your your question, you sound like my wife.&nbsp; She will often not like it if I give up a game night with my friends to do something with her, because she knows that I enjoy gaming and want to be there gaming with them.&nbsp; The thing is, I am fully capable of wanting more than one thing that are in conflict with one another.&nbsp; Just because I want to and am interested in gaming, doesn't mean that I do not also want to spend time with her and go out to a movie.&nbsp; The trip to the giants through the Underdark will garner the players experiences that add to their enjoyment of the game, as well as add to their PCs ability to handle the giants once they arrive.&nbsp; That makes it both interesting and makes it so that it addresses the goal of defeating the giants.&nbsp; It's simplistic to try and boil down game enjoyment/interest to a rush to immediately resolve a stated goal.Players never think of everything.&nbsp; How do you know that they don't want to meet allies, as opposed to not thinking of something that they would have wanted to do had they thought of it?While the example is cool and all, it appears that the player did not seek aid, but rather aid came as a result of his actions.&nbsp; Nor does it mean that the player will always remember aid as a possibility and mention it to you.What does this have to do with you guys giving examples of bad DMing?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Maxperson, post: 7380397, member: 23751"] Not really. As you mentioned up thread, things the DM introduces become important to the players and vice versa. That's how the game is played. It's a mutual thing. I guess I just didn't realize how passive your players are, and it floors me that not one of them would even try to talk to her. I would, as would all of my players. You still interrupted the spell that doesn't get interrupted, though, which prevented final resolution until AFTER you were done narrating what you did. There's no way around that. What the players tried to do was not final until after your narration. If you want to call it a metaphor, go for it. It's simply not relevant to anything in this discussion whether it is or is not a metaphor. What it does do, is give real options. Even if the intersection is imaginary, the options the players take exist in the real world. They make the decision on which way to go here, and tell me what it is here. As for your your question, you sound like my wife. She will often not like it if I give up a game night with my friends to do something with her, because she knows that I enjoy gaming and want to be there gaming with them. The thing is, I am fully capable of wanting more than one thing that are in conflict with one another. Just because I want to and am interested in gaming, doesn't mean that I do not also want to spend time with her and go out to a movie. The trip to the giants through the Underdark will garner the players experiences that add to their enjoyment of the game, as well as add to their PCs ability to handle the giants once they arrive. That makes it both interesting and makes it so that it addresses the goal of defeating the giants. It's simplistic to try and boil down game enjoyment/interest to a rush to immediately resolve a stated goal. Players never think of everything. How do you know that they don't want to meet allies, as opposed to not thinking of something that they would have wanted to do had they thought of it? While the example is cool and all, it appears that the player did not seek aid, but rather aid came as a result of his actions. Nor does it mean that the player will always remember aid as a possibility and mention it to you. What does this have to do with you guys giving examples of bad DMing? [/QUOTE]

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