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<blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 7391426" data-attributes="member: 42582">Once again you seem unwilling to distinguish fantasy from reality.In the fiction, of course the secret door was always there. But at the table, its existence was established as a result of the check. Therefore its existence is not part of the backstory, as Eero Tuovinen uses that term. You are free to use backstory to mean &quot;elements of the fiction which predate the present in-fiction moment of play&quot; if you want, but that's not how Eero is using it. He is using it to mean suuff that is literally pre-authored or is notinally pre-authored. (The latter is what is often called, on these boards, &quot;winging it&quot;. Establishing the existence of a secret door as a result of a check is not &quot;winging it&quot;.)I don't really understand this, becuse &quot;only the resolution of the action&quot; is not a termn whose meaning you have explained.But in any event, action resolution changes the fiction. It thereby contribues to future framing and fictional positioning. Which in turn fees into future action declarations and resolutions. I wouldn't have though that this is contentious.In some systems, action resolution also generates discrete mechanical consequences whose connection to the fiction may be more or less tight, depending on system and congtext (eg in AD&amp;D a successful attack roll results in the mechanical consequence of a depletion of opponent hit points - what this correlats to in the fiction is, by the rules, rather uncertain and relatively unimportant to future action resolution).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="pemerton, post: 7391426, member: 42582"] Once again you seem unwilling to distinguish fantasy from reality. In the fiction, of course the secret door was always there. But at the table, its existence was established as a result of the check. Therefore its existence is not part of the backstory, as Eero Tuovinen uses that term. You are free to use backstory to mean "elements of the fiction which predate the present in-fiction moment of play" if you want, but that's not how Eero is using it. He is using it to mean suuff that is literally pre-authored or is notinally pre-authored. (The latter is what is often called, on these boards, "winging it". Establishing the existence of a secret door as a result of a check is not "winging it".) I don't really understand this, becuse "only the resolution of the action" is not a termn whose meaning you have explained. But in any event, action resolution changes the fiction. It thereby contribues to future framing and fictional positioning. Which in turn fees into future action declarations and resolutions. I wouldn't have though that this is contentious. In some systems, action resolution also generates discrete mechanical consequences whose connection to the fiction may be more or less tight, depending on system and congtext (eg in AD&D a successful attack roll results in the mechanical consequence of a depletion of opponent hit points - what this correlats to in the fiction is, by the rules, rather uncertain and relatively unimportant to future action resolution). [/QUOTE]

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