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<blockquote data-quote="Maxperson" data-source="post: 7391774" data-attributes="member: 23751">Then some other character growth arc would have emerged.&nbsp; ::shrug::Incorrect.&nbsp; My own account reveals why, in the absence of some sort of agenda, there is no guarantee of the same arc Pippin encountered emerging over the course of play.&nbsp; Character growth arcs will happen, regardless of absence of an agenda.Furthermore, the issue isn't about whether or not it plays out as in the book. The question is, if the player amkes other choices do we get a dramatic arc? Thematically compelling vhoices? What happens if Pippin offers fealty to Denethor and Denethor refuses to accept it? (In 4e, this could be the result of a failed Diplomacy check in a skill challenge. In BW, it could be the outcome of a duel of wits.) Now &quot;the action&quot; has changed - perhaps Pippin seeks out Farimir instead.</blockquote>Yep.&nbsp; Something else will happen.&nbsp; Good call.Who cares.&nbsp; This isn't about my game being Story Now, it's about character growth arcs.&nbsp; So perhaps Pippin seeks out Faramir in Osiliath and to offer his service.&nbsp; Perhaps, feeling rejected, but still wanting to do something for Gondor due to his feelings for Boromir, he joins the Gondorian regular army.&nbsp; Perhaps something else.&nbsp; It doesn't matter whether the game is Story Now or not.&nbsp; Character growth arcs are going to happen regardless.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE="Maxperson, post: 7391774, member: 23751"] Then some other character growth arc would have emerged. ::shrug:: Incorrect. My own account reveals why, in the absence of some sort of agenda, there is no guarantee of the same arc Pippin encountered emerging over the course of play. Character growth arcs will happen, regardless of absence of an agenda. Furthermore, the issue isn't about whether or not it plays out as in the book. The question is, if the player amkes other choices do we get a dramatic arc? Thematically compelling vhoices? What happens if Pippin offers fealty to Denethor and Denethor refuses to accept it? (In 4e, this could be the result of a failed Diplomacy check in a skill challenge. In BW, it could be the outcome of a duel of wits.) Now "the action" has changed - perhaps Pippin seeks out Farimir instead.[/quote] Yep. Something else will happen. Good call. Who cares. This isn't about my game being Story Now, it's about character growth arcs. So perhaps Pippin seeks out Faramir in Osiliath and to offer his service. Perhaps, feeling rejected, but still wanting to do something for Gondor due to his feelings for Boromir, he joins the Gondorian regular army. Perhaps something else. It doesn't matter whether the game is Story Now or not. Character growth arcs are going to happen regardless. [/QUOTE]

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