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<blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 7394219" data-attributes="member: 82106">Lets analyze what's happening here. First of all I'll pass on the question of whether or not what you're suggesting is actually a good idea in terms of acceptable player agency. Lets just say it comes to pass through SOME means, but remember, failure was an option, and that would be hard on the character's chances.Now, by creating a secret door the player is signaling a desire to move beyond the current situation. That is it isn't, in its existing framing, where he wants the character to be. This is a perfectly legitimate position for a player to take! Next, consider what was ongoing, some attempt by the player to achieve something that was important to her. Creating the secret door is either abandoning that attempt (which is consequential and probably will have some blowback) or it could be an attempt to 'get away with the goods'. In EITHER case the GM is free to frame the next scene. What has she escaped from by passing through the secret door? The frying pan? Is she now in the fire? Lets play to find out! I'm missing where the tension was lost here...This is also a reason why I'm a bit less concerned with the players having some real control. Its not like the GM gave up the right to frame scenes. Some GMs might squirm at the thought of the character escaping through the secret door with the crown jewels, I'm just wondering who's waiting at the other end of the secret passage to relieve her of them!</blockquote>

[QUOTE="AbdulAlhazred, post: 7394219, member: 82106"] Lets analyze what's happening here. First of all I'll pass on the question of whether or not what you're suggesting is actually a good idea in terms of acceptable player agency. Lets just say it comes to pass through SOME means, but remember, failure was an option, and that would be hard on the character's chances. Now, by creating a secret door the player is signaling a desire to move beyond the current situation. That is it isn't, in its existing framing, where he wants the character to be. This is a perfectly legitimate position for a player to take! Next, consider what was ongoing, some attempt by the player to achieve something that was important to her. Creating the secret door is either abandoning that attempt (which is consequential and probably will have some blowback) or it could be an attempt to 'get away with the goods'. In EITHER case the GM is free to frame the next scene. What has she escaped from by passing through the secret door? The frying pan? Is she now in the fire? Lets play to find out! I'm missing where the tension was lost here... This is also a reason why I'm a bit less concerned with the players having some real control. Its not like the GM gave up the right to frame scenes. Some GMs might squirm at the thought of the character escaping through the secret door with the crown jewels, I'm just wondering who's waiting at the other end of the secret passage to relieve her of them! [/QUOTE]

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