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<blockquote data-quote="Maxperson" data-source="post: 7395845" data-attributes="member: 23751">What's the time limit on that?&nbsp; I mean, going back to my discussion with [MENTION=42582]pemerton[/MENTION] about the jewels, he said that the lord sending guards around to search the city for the jewels would be negating the players' success.&nbsp; However, the lord's reach is the entire city and of course he would search for the jewels, so the players getting to the city doesn't make them safely away with the jewels.&nbsp; They haven't succeeded yet.Yes, in my kind of game the DM decides when players have succeeded to the point where the lord would stop looking.&nbsp; That doesn't make it whim, though.&nbsp; The DM is obligated to use reason to make that decision, and he is going to examine what the players are doing to avoid detection and hide the jewels, as well as what resources the lord has available and how much desire he has to find the jewels.&nbsp; Whim is nowhere to be found.&nbsp; It's a pet peeve of mine when someone tries to discount what the other side is doing by labeling it a whim.&nbsp; A whim is when I am in line at the grocery store and without rhyme or reason, I glance at the candy section and grab a candy bar on impulse.&nbsp; The skill challenge system is a different way to resolve the situation, but it's not inherently a better one.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Maxperson, post: 7395845, member: 23751"] What's the time limit on that? I mean, going back to my discussion with [MENTION=42582]pemerton[/MENTION] about the jewels, he said that the lord sending guards around to search the city for the jewels would be negating the players' success. However, the lord's reach is the entire city and of course he would search for the jewels, so the players getting to the city doesn't make them safely away with the jewels. They haven't succeeded yet. Yes, in my kind of game the DM decides when players have succeeded to the point where the lord would stop looking. That doesn't make it whim, though. The DM is obligated to use reason to make that decision, and he is going to examine what the players are doing to avoid detection and hide the jewels, as well as what resources the lord has available and how much desire he has to find the jewels. Whim is nowhere to be found. It's a pet peeve of mine when someone tries to discount what the other side is doing by labeling it a whim. A whim is when I am in line at the grocery store and without rhyme or reason, I glance at the candy section and grab a candy bar on impulse. The skill challenge system is a different way to resolve the situation, but it's not inherently a better one. [/QUOTE]

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