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<blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 7402471" data-attributes="member: 42582">Nor did I say that it is. I added additional qualifiers. I didn't make the qualifiers up arbitrarily. They follow from a whole line of RPG design and play.I'm not that interested in what is &quot;typical&quot;, given that &quot;typical&quot; constraints of moves in a RPG include the GM having permission to declare the search for a secret door a failure on the basis that the GM's notes do not record the presence of any such wall in the door.As to whether or not the example you give is a railroad, it depends very heavily on context. As I said not far upthread, there are marginal cases, and much earlier in this thread I indicated my views about where the boundaries lie.Here's my question to you: why do you think it's OK for the GM to declare the search for a secret door a failure indpendently of the check, but not think it's OK for the GM to declare the attack against the orc a failure independelty of the check (eg maybe the GM's notes record that this orc won't die the first time it is met, but will always evade and escape - I have come across modules with that sort of thing in them).Now, if the answer is you think that the same approach to the Orc is OK, well fine - the world is populated by different people with different tastes - but are you really surprised that someone else might think that's a railroad?But if you (as I think is more common among ENworld RPGers) would regard that treatment of an attack on the orc as a railroad, why are you so incensed by the same thing being suggested of a like treatment of the search for a secret door as an escape route?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="pemerton, post: 7402471, member: 42582"] Nor did I say that it is. I added additional qualifiers. I didn't make the qualifiers up arbitrarily. They follow from a whole line of RPG design and play. I'm not that interested in what is "typical", given that "typical" constraints of moves in a RPG include the GM having permission to declare the search for a secret door a failure on the basis that the GM's notes do not record the presence of any such wall in the door. As to whether or not the example you give is a railroad, it depends very heavily on context. As I said not far upthread, there are marginal cases, and much earlier in this thread I indicated my views about where the boundaries lie. Here's my question to you: [I]why[/I] do you think it's OK for the GM to declare the search for a secret door a failure indpendently of the check, but not think it's OK for the GM to declare the attack against the orc a failure independelty of the check (eg maybe the GM's notes record that [I]this orc won't die the first time it is met, but will always evade and escape[/I] - I have come across modules with that sort of thing in them). Now, if the answer is you think that the same approach to the Orc [I]is[/I] OK, well fine - the world is populated by different people with different tastes - but are you really surprised that someone else might think that's a railroad? But if you (as I think is more common among ENworld RPGers) would regard that treatment of an attack on the orc as a railroad, why are you so incensed by the same thing being suggested of a like treatment of the search for a secret door as an escape route? [/QUOTE]

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